Table of Contents for this issue:
photoshop on a color classic
Re: Name this Mac! & other trivia...
Re: 7in NuBus Monitor Cards (Manufactured by Apple)
Joystick
Hybrid SE accelerator
Re: Classic Macs Digest 1.3
Re: Classic Macs Digest 1.3
TransWarp 4300
RE: Classic Mac Digest
Re: Mac Plus Floppy Problem
RE: Classic Macs Digest 1.3
Programs that work with the II.
Re: A couple of questions
Re: Stylewriter II with Mac Plus
Recipe Programs
Re: A couple of questions
Re: imagewriter II
Re: System 7.0 Install-->MacPlus problem
Plus freezes
Re: Classic Macs Digest 1.3
What It Is...

Does anyone know if a Color Classic with the full 10mg, RD'd to 20mg, will
run Photoshop (2.5 or 3.0) and Netscape at the same time?

Your unknown Beige Mac is an upgraded 128K or 512k (now a Mac Plus/minus).
Real Mac Pluses had mini-DIN 8 serial connectors. If you open it up, you
will find some sort of hacked memory upgrade.

There WAS a drive called the HD20 that worked off of the external floppy
connector. Forget trying to use it. It was astoundingly slow. You're
better off getting a SCSI upgrade for your Plus/minus.

Imagewriter I's are beige and boxy, II's are white (or platinum) and
strangely angular. I's have a DB-25 and II's have a mini-DIN 8.

Give up on MaxAppleZoom. It ONLY works on the original Apple TBF (Toby
Frame Buffer) video card - which is a full-length card. Get a third-party
NuBus video card, which will give you up to 1280 x 1024 resolution, and
allow many more monitor choices. A used Radius 24X is a good choice.

Hello,

What type of joystick works on a Mac Plus. The mouse doesn't attach
with a din 8, what can I use?

I love my Classic Mac!!!

Thanks in advance

As I understand it the Brainstorm SE accelerator has two components to
it. One is a faster 68000 CPU board. The second is a faster BUS chip
which is how the Brainstorm can beat many of the other 68030 accelerators.

Question: Can I use the accelerated BUS chip from the Brainstorm SE
accelerator kit with someone elses 68030 accelerator (MicroMac or
Sonnet) to further improve the performance of my SE over either accelerator alone?

Maurice

Regarding PC monitors connected to a Macintosh, this is the BEST thing I've come across:

Liberty Mac to PC Monitor Adapter $33.99 from MacMall 800-222-2808, or www.macmall.com

I've got two of these nifty adapters, and they work great!

Jason Ramsey
Dallas, TX

I know awhile back a few of you asked for information on safely working
inside Macs; I was able to print the entire "Safety" sections of Apple's
Service Source CD-ROM to a PostScript file that you can download to a
LaserWriter. It's about 5.6 megabytes, but it's lots of good information
on not hurting yourself or your Mac while working inside it. Beware!
This is over 100 pages of information.

Jason Ramsey
Dallas, TX

Greetings,

I have a little question to ask.
I have a upgrade(accelerator) board at home labeled "TransWarp 4300" from
Applied Engineering. It has pds/nubus-looking connector; "MC68EC030FE40B"
processor; 40 Mhz crystal; cash card on top and another pci-type flat
connector. I guess it is pds, since it's flat and if installed in smth like
IIci would cover all other nubus slots. It doesn't work on my LC III.

Any hints on what that board is for.

TIA
Dmitri

Subject: MacClassic
From: Leif

Can he move the memory from the Plus into the Classic?

No. The MacPlus runs on 150ns RAM, and the Classic runs on 120ns RAM.
Smaller numbers are faster, and MacPlus RAM is too old for a MacClassic.

You will have to check the speed of the SIMMs. Look for a part number ending
with -120 or -80 or something like that. The number is the speed in
nanoseconds of the SIMM. you want one that says -120 or lower eg -80. Many
shop supplied faster SIMMs so that they didnt have to stock different parts.

What is the maximum memory the Classic will accept?

4MB. There are a few expansion cards you can buy tho.

How and where does he install the extra memory?

He doesn't. Unless he wants to but new RAM, in which case it goes on the
motherbard (slides out).

A classic motherboard dosn't slide out. you have to open the case, etc.

How about Ram Doubler, yes or no?

Nope! RAM doubler needs a newer chip.

your classic is starting to sound like a classic II. If you have a microphone plug on the rear lefthandside, look for a mic sysbol, then it is a classic II. a whole new ball game! RAM Doubler may then be an option.

Subject: Name this Mac! & other trivia...
From: Bret Alan Fessenden

In addition to the MacPlus I have been writing about recently, I have
another ancient mac which I cannot identify:

It is beige, has 1 meg of RAM, an 800k internal floppy drive, and no name
on the case.

It is an upgraded 512ke. early pluses had SCSI ports too.

For connectors, it has the old style 9-pin rectangular (what is this
called?) printer port, the old mouse connector (also 9-pin, I think), and
no SCSI, just a external floppy port.

What is this? I thought it was an upgraded 512ke, but someone has told me
it is an early Plus.

If you open up the case you may have an upgrade that provided a SCSI port.

And while I'm at it, I hear that there was an external HD that could plug
into the floppy port, called HD20, or something. Is this the right name,
and any suggestions for used places I might call to see if I can get one?
Anyone want to sell one from this group? (Sorry - breach of group
etiquette, there, I guess.)

And ANOTHER identification question: I have an Apple dot matrix printer
with no name on it, same beige color as the Mac. I would assume it is
either an ImageWriter I or II. How can I tell the difference? And
if I want to find a cable for it, is the connection for an IWI different than
an IWII?

The IW is a flat block like printer, built like a tank, can run forever, the
IW II sits up from the table on two fat legs.

2. I recently obtained a MacPlus (from my father since he now has an 8100
<incredibly jealous look>) that I am giving to my wife. My problem is
that the internal 800K floppy drive doesn't work anymore and the 20M Jasmine
drive got reformatted prior to my getting it. So, I am stuck with a Plus
that I know works, but have no way to load the OS onto the Jasmine drive.
I have a IIfx which I am trying to figure out how to use to upload the OS
onto the Jasmine drive. The IIfx however is not self terminating and I
cannot find the terminator that came with it (I never had occasion to use
it before now). I also have two Iomega Zip Drives which are self
terminating. Now, is there a method I can use to upload either System 6
or a stripped down 7 onto the Jasmine drive using what I have. I have tried
to do this several times, but am not sure why it is not working. Also, the
Jasmine drive has Dip Switches (numbered 1-8) that I am not sure how to
configure to assign it #4 (since the internal drive on the IIfx is No. 0
and the zip drives take up no.(s) 5 & 6. The intuitive method of setting
just No. 4 didn't work. When I tried to hook up the Jasmine drive as part
of the SCSI chain, all the other SCSI devices disappeared from the chain
(i.e. not recognized--therefore non-existent as far as the IIfx was
concerned). Another important fact is that one of the Zip Drives is not
operating properly, it will read just fine, but the drive clicks endlessly
if I try to write to it (gonna have to send it to Iomega eventually,
otherwise I would just let my wife use it as the external drive-providing I
could load the OS onto it). Well, that about sums up this question and I
would love for someone to tell me how to work around this problem.

3. When I do finally get my wife's MacPlus working,does anyone know of an
IRC client that works on the Plus? My wife is using my machine *way* too
much for this and both she and I would like to give her the capabilty to
use IRC on her own machine.

I plugged a Zip into my Centris to copy system 7.0.1 on. Then i plugged it
inot the Plus and booted off it. You could piggyback the Zip on the Jasmine
then dragsystem 7 over to the Jasmine. SOME (I don't know which ones)
Pluses won't boot off a Zip, you'll just have to try it.

I use ircle 2.5 on the Plus all the time, works great. Try
http://www.downlaod.com

For more tips on using a Plus on the web, see my instruction manual
<Http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/Shareware.html>

JAG

I am sure that I will have more questions as time goes on, but for now
please help me out, my wife asks me everyday when she is gonna be able to
use her computer and I cannot answer that one at all.
Many Thanks,
Bill Bair

floppy disk (included) and for some screwy reason known only to Apple (X-(
said you have to have an Apple CD ROM player to install from the CD ROM.

because Apple would then have to include every screwy third party CD-ROM
driver ever made, on their CD.

PBJ

Subject: SE/30 with ?socketed CPU??
From: Jim Paul

Hi. I just got a nice clean little SE/30 8/80 with what was advertised as a
?socketed CPU.? Can anyone tell me what the advantage/disadvantage of such
a feature is and what upgrade paths might be available? I?ve been searching
for info all over the net but with no luck.

You can use the socket for a CPU upgrade, Sonnet Tech has one for the
MacII that may work.

PBJ

Subject: 7in NuBus Monitor Cards (Manufactured by Apple)
From: David Emmons

Greetings, and Happy New Year!,

Does anyone know if Apple made a 7in NuBus monitor card (normal size is 9)
that will work in a IIsi?

I was able to put a 9" NuBus card into my IIsi using a NuBus adaptor.

PBJ

Subject: Mac II compatibility list?
From: Kelley Boylan

I'm pulling a few old Mac II boxes out of the closet ('020) and am looking
for a list of compatible/incompatible software. E.g., does Netscape work?
What about Photoshop? I started going from site to site to check specific
software, but it turned into a real time-killer.

Anyone know of a site or have a list of known software for the Mac II?

Many thanks.

Your MacII should run almost anything that runs on an LC/LCII. If your MacII
dosen't have a PMMU chip and an FPU chip, try and get them, you will then
end up with a slow Mac IIx. To test for the PMMU chip see if you can turn on
Virtual Memory in the memory control panel, if you can then you are OK.

You can go to 8 megs of RAM more if you use special SIMMS, and plug in 6
video cards. Some MacIIs had HD floppy upgrades which overcame a lot of
problems.

PBJ

I run a II at home (and it's the machine I'm writing this on.)

I run:

MS office 4.2.1 or whatever that latest version is (has Excel 5.0, and Word 6.0)
Netscape 2 (3 if I'm running on My Rocket Accelorator w/ 20 megs)
The ONLY reason I can't run Netscape 3.0 on the II is MEMORY. REQUIRES 9megs
just for the application!!!!

First Class client 3.5

Most Games (except the ones that require and 040 or PMac, which the Rocket
will get around SOME of the time...it hates sound) will work, all though they
tend to be slow. All of Ambrosia's games work, including Escape Velocity.

Photoshop should work (that's what this Machine was originally doing) but
Memory and speed could be a MAJOR pain. Try something like Graphic
convertor if your needs are modest.

But the main thing you have to watch out for is those things that are PMac
only or need at least an '040. But like I tell my coworkers, this darn
thing predates the Windows environment, yet it will still run Office!!! Try that
with a PC from the same vintage (if you can even get more than 2 megs into
them......<grin>)

And the best part was I got it for almost nothing. A friend's publishing firm
had it in their graveyard and said "Take it." Now I have that Vaunted and
unatainable $500 Internet device for half the price, and it's a full featured
Mac to boot!

-Dave

Your Posting:
Subject: Mac II compatibility list?
From: Kelley Boylan

I'm pulling a few old Mac II boxes out of the closet ('020) and am looking
for a list of compatible/incompatible software. E.g., does Netscape work?

What about Photoshop? I started going from site to site to check specific
software, but it turned into a real time-killer.

Anyone know of a site or have a list of known software for the Mac II?

Many thanks.

From: Bill and Josephine Bair

1. Does anyone know if the IIfx is upgradeable? If so, what do I need?

As far as I know, it is not. You can expand RAM, but my suppliers are
reluctant to purchase it now because it is so expensive. The IIfx is
kind of a dead end as far as upgradeability goes, but it is still a
great computer.

The IIfx however is not self terminating and I
cannot find the terminator that came with it (I never had occasion to use
it before now).

You should be able to purchase a IIfx terminator for about $30. They are
recognizable by being black. I found a second one after I bought a
replacement by looking in the box the CPU shipped in.

Subject: Stylewriter II with Mac Plus
From: WrestleFly

Can the Stylewriter II be used with the Mac Plus?
System 6?
System 7?

I used it with 7.1, and 7.0, I think as well.

proclus

OK, I have an SE with a 16Mhz accelerator sitting on my kitchen counter
running Now Contact and system 7.5.3. I have been looking for a recipe
program with a database of recipes and have had no luck. I've downloaded
dozens from the net but none has worked (either the screen was too small
or the program crashed or something). Anyone know of a good one?

Thanks,

And as a friend of mine in High School once said to the Spanish teacher
in response to the question "How do you say 'see you later' in Spainish?":

Laytros,
-sg

Scott Gurley at MacTemps in St. Louis
12400 Olive Blvd / Suite 555
St. Louis, MO 63141
314-275-4420 or 314-523-4540(fax)

Bill,

Re. IIfx upgrades, I only remember the Tokamak NuBus card which was
said to be incompatible with about anything. Consider the IIfx as an
already upgraded II or IIx! People with those machines would be glad to
have IIfx speed...

The only safe expansion IMO would be to cram as much RAM as you can
in the machine, as even IIfx memory has become affordable. That would allow
you to speed up the IIfx by using a big RAM disk, for example. Then you
could get as many NuBus video boards as you can afford, along with suitable
monitors. With *Apple* 8*24 (not GC) cards, you'll be able to boost each
connected 13-14" AppleColor to 704x518/256 colors with MaxAppleZoom. Dunno
about other monitors, but this control panel depends on *Apple video
cards*.

Nobody with an Apple NuBus video board (up to the 8*24 Rev. B) and
a 13" should be without MaxAppleZoom! MAZ 1.44 works with 7.5.3 and most
probably 7.5.5.

If both your Zips _and_ the Jasmine are internally terminated, it's
no wonder the SCSI got confused, especially on the IIfx, which expects
special termination.

Re. IIfx termination, problem is, both the IIfx and the Plus have
their own, different peculiarities about SCSI termination so be sure to buy
the right thing. I have been told that _some_ active terminators should
work with both the IIfx and the Plus. You could check with APS or another
knowledgeable HD vendor. In any case you should probably take the internal
termination out of the Jasmine as that could induce problems with the
external terminator.

Once the IIfx recognizes the Jasmine, you'll be able to install
whatever you want on it that you need on the Plus.

I hope this is of some help. Now Gold help me with _my_ IIfx problems!

-Laurent

Subject: re: imagewriter II
From: hilal

jocelyn,

like apple's stylewriters, the imagewriter II (which is now discontinued)
needed a localtalk card to connect them to a localtalk network (different
printers need different cards).

my guess is that apple also discontinued the imagewriter's localtalk card
too, but check with apple or a mail-order firm. new cards used to sell
for about $100.

if you are interested, i have a spare card that has never been used.
email me if you can't find one.

I think that the IW II (and possibly it's LocalTalk card) is still
available, probably via special order. The Apple database of printers
doesn't show a discontinued date. The reason that such an old printer is
still available is almost certainly due to it's being an impact printer and
therefore useable with multipart forms. My suggestion would be to check
with a particularly good Authorized Apple dealer and see if they can
special order the LT card

Clark Martin
Redwood City, CA, USA
Macintosh / Internet Consulting

Subject: System 7.0 Install-->MacPlus problem
From: Bret Alan Fessenden

This is really frustrating me.

I have a MacPlus with 4 megs of RAM, 800k drive and NO HD. I have been
running 6.0.8 on it fine, but I would like to upgrade the system. I can't
run 7.0.1, because you need a 1.44 floppy drive or HD, which, as I just
mentioned, my MacPlus does not have. So I want to put 7.0 on the thing,

BUT:

I CANNOT get a copy of System 7.0 Installer that works!

This time, the SAME THING happened again - not enough memory!

I have tried mounting the disk images on the desktop (on the 6115) with
ShrinkWrap from my HD, from my second HD, copying them to 800k diskettes,
everything I can think of! HELP!

This is ridiculous. Where can I get a copy that works?

system 7 on an 800k floppy won't be much fun.

-snipped some very well given advice-

System 7.0 may be downloaded for 1.4M or 800K floppies from Apple's
"obsolete" system software FTP site. I can't recall the URL, but it's
in the same folder as System 6.0.8.

As for the alleged lack of fun regarding System 7 on an 800K floppy
:-), I'm overjoyed to report that I run my family's winery (a high six
figure annual revenue business) on a Mac II (5/70) with System 7.1,
Quicken 5, MS Works 3.0, PageMaker 4.2, and an 800K floppy. I put this
package together from used and NOS sources about one year ago when
upper management (i.e. my father) didn't want to buy me a new computer
because he thought System 6.0.5 equipment was good enough!

In short, I have loads o' fun with my 800K floppy! Wal-Mart still
sells 3M 800Ks in boxes of ten!

* * *
Better living through marketing (TM).

Tony Spinetta
tonytony

Subject: MAC Plus Freezes
Tim Wahlstrom wrote:

Runinng with 4 Meg of RAM and an External 20 Meg Hard Disk. Typing "too
fast" and clicking the mouse button "too" much causes the system to freeze.
The only recourse is to old reboot. Has anyone else experienced that? Any
fix?

I would say either the system software or the word processor you are using
are corrupted. Have you tried reinstalling your software afresh?
george

In a message dated 1/6/97, David Evans wrote:

For several years the Buick division of General Motors had promotional
diskettes made to advertise Buicks. One year I remember they had a
nifty golf game in addtional to the descriptive information about Buick
models. Another year they had a Buick Trivial Pursuit type quiz game.

Does anyone out there have these? I think there were even two versions
(800K B&W and 1.4M Color) of some of years' diskettes. I would really
like to get the original diskettes, if possible, but even copies would
be great.

I have a set of the original "Buick Dimension(s)" disks--originals--for
1987 ((C) 1986), '88, '89, '90, '91, '92, '93, '94, '95; and an XP 2000 press
kit disk.

Make me an offer....?

Charles Meyerson
...writing from Oak Park, Illinois

<bfessenden wrote:

It is beige, has 1 meg of RAM, an 800k internal floppy drive, and no name
on the case.

I'd say it's an early Mac Plus.

And ANOTHER identification question: I have an Apple dot matrix printer
with no name on it, same beige color as the Mac.

Definitely an Imagewriter I, not a II. (The II was gray/platinum.) I have our
original I hooked up now to our 6400. A real workhorse, although prone to
jams if you use cheap paper. (And here's a tip: place a Post-It Note over the
slot behind the platen to keep the paper from feeding back into the
printer.)

Best wishes,

Charles Meyerson