Table of Contents for this issue:

Re: Mac Web 2.0 source
Help with Mac IIci and Sys 7.5.3
Re: IIcx -- IIci motherboards
Ci hard drive transplant
Desparately Seeking Talking Moose
Re: Classic Macs Digest 1.12
SE/2500... Can it be done?
Apple CDROM
Re: On the net with 2 Megs of RAM?
RADIUS SE/25 Accelerator
Need Small Start-up System
Re: Classic Macs Digest 1.12
2 mb Plus on the net
20sc not seen on a Plus
PMMU
Re: Bad Video Card?
MAC SE and ethernet
Re: Bad Video Card?
Re: Bad Video Card?
Upgrade Help
Re: Apple ImageWriter II
Re: Classic Macs News
How can I speed up a IIfx?

I checked out the February issue of MacWorld, as suggested by a couple of
posts on this list, but found no CD. I assumed that maybe the CD was only
included in the U.S. (I'm in Canada). Now I see that there's some question
as to whether it was the Feb. or January issue. Can anyone clear this up
definitively?

I also tried picking up MacWeb 2.0 from
http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/macweb.hqx
as the proprietor of that site suggested, but seem to have gotten MacWeb
1.00A3.2 instead.

Obviously there is some kind of world-wide conspiracy to prevent me from
getting version 2.0! Can anyone help me out here?

I just upgraded my Mac IIci to System 7.5.3 (20 MB ram, 1.2 GB SCSI internal
disk, ROM ver 1660, FPU and MMU, and ram_cache NuBus card)

AOL's new America OnLine 3.0 preview for Mac was installed and launched. It
proceeded to crash the system and the system will not boot from hard-disk
anymore. Sys 7.5.3 Disk First Aid says the hard drive is damaged and needs
to be re-formatted - but this would wipe out everything from my last backup.
Disk Manager Mac 4.01 reported that there is an incompatible partition map
and that a valid partition map must be installed before updating the
harddrive driver.

So, it appears that AOL 3.0 corrupted the partition map on the 1.2 GB
harddrive. I orginally used the default partion setup, which means that I
didn't define any partions. Can I re-define the partitions to repair the
damage and not lose the data/program contents on the disk? The Disk Manager
Mac help file says that the partions can be manually set but files
contiguous to the old and new partitions may be corrupted and lost. Losing
a couple of programs is OK, reformatting the whole drive isn't a good answer
for me.

The harddrive is a Fujitsu M1606S-512.

I read about this happening to someone else in the AOL user forum.

Any ideas, or suggestions about good disk repair tools or drive recovery firms?

Regards, Ron Carlson

Kenichi Watanabe wrote at 19.01.1997 21:49 Uhr -0500
about "IIcx -- IIci motherboards"

I own a IIcx. Is it possible to exchange the IIcx motherboard with a IIci
motherboard? The case appears to be identical, but I was curious about
the built-in external ports (such as video) - do they match? How about
the power supply?

The IIci motherboard fits into the IIcx case. They have the same power
supply and all plugs are on the same position.
Only for the video port you'll have to cut a new hole in the case.

BTW the Quadra 700 motherboard works too.

dIrk

Hi all,
I recently posted a message regarding my Ci's problems with the voodoo
Mac death sign. Thanks for all the replies I received. At this time, we
are running the system on an external hard disk with no problem. However,
it would be preferable to install the disk into the Ci. When I've tried
to do so, it's been a real bear. Unlike my Performa 600, the Ci's power
supply doesn't just slide upwards once you've undone the retaining screw
on the back panel. The hard disk and floppy drives are also within this
plastic retainer. It's not clear how to get that out either, except that
the power supply seems to be sitting on top of the frame on a support
flange. Any advice on how to remove the hard disk would be appreciated.
Todd

Speaking of ancient Mac stuff...

My boss person is a charter member of the local MUG and bought one of the
first Macs (128K) in 1984. She remains a true believer and just got a
PowerBook 1400c.

We are having a heck of time getting one of her favorite programs - Talking
Moose 4.0 - to work. He shows up but only speaks once in a great while, and
is mute (animation works but no voice) the rest of the time.

I'm guessing that Macintalk 3 and the old Macintalk file that TM uses aren't
getting along. Or is it something else - the PowerPC? System 7.5.5?

I'm asking the Classic Mac faithful since there's bound to be at least one
other TM addict who can answer our plea.

Also, does anyone know what happened to Baseline Publishing (maker of TM)?
Can't find any reference to a URL, address or phone number despite numerous
Web searches. Any info can be sent to the email address above.

TIA,
Mike McNeil

I just upgraded my IIfx (factory original) from 8 to 20 MB of RAM (around
$240 for four 4 MB SIMMS) and it speeded up a lot of the operations quite a
bit.

I don't think there's any way to make a PowerMac of a IIfx -- or even
approach PowerMac speed on one. If there were, it would probably not be
cost-effective.

Good luck.

Rodney
(in Hayama Japan)

Sent: 1/22/97 1:54 PM
From: Truls Hanholm Wang-Johannessen

Hi folks,

I use a IIfx (1300 MB HD and 8 MB RAM), it's a good MAC, but a little bit slow.
Do anyone know how I can speed it up in a cheep way??
(It's already upgraded from a II to a IIfx)

Can I make a PowerMAC of it??

I hope anyone will answer me....

I have a ColorStyleWriter 2500 and an SE 4/20 (7.5). I want to use them
together, but the CSW driver wants a 68030 or higher. The SE is 68000.
Anyway, I have a friend who (for some weird reason) uses a SW1500 driver
for his StuleWriterII. He claims that using a newer driver makes it print
faster. Anyway, I want to use an OLDER driver for my 2500 so I can plug
it into the SE. Does anyone have any ideas? I have heard that 2400 driver
is almost the same, and that wouldn't be any use.

*deep breath*

What my REAL goal is here is to have an AppleTalk network with my 6100/60
(24/350/ZIP) and the SE (for file sharing, etc.) and the 2500. The 2500
WON'T work on AppleTalk. If you want to network it, you gotta buy a $80
"LocalTalk Module" (yeah, right!) or use GreyShare. I want to put the
2500 on the SE modem port, leave the modem on the 6100's modem port, and
put the two printer ports together (GreyShare). I'm SURE (really, I've
looked into it) that this would work if the StyleWriter driver was
compatible with the SE. There MUST be some work-around, because I don't
even really want to print from the SE. I just want to share the printer.

If all this seems very skecthy and confusing, well, its kinda late and
I'm kinda tired. eMail me for more details (about the network, not how
tired I am).

TIA!

OK, I just want to settle this once and for all. I am realy fed up with
this talk about the apple CD ROM driver. If you people wanna argue about
it, try doing personal eMail. This listserv is getting full of dumb
messages like those. At first, it was on topic, but its getting old now.
I'm sure that there are only a few people on the list who even CARE.
Maybe you should start a "Lets rant and rave about Apple CD ROM drivers
(and McDonald's Hot Coffee)" listserv.

From http://www.pacificcoast.net/macfaq3.html

* Mac Plus, 4 MB RAM, 20 MB harddisk, (2400-)14400 modem, System
7.0.1* and MacTCP 2.0.6 are the practical minimum requirements for
PPP connections. Only MacPPP 2.0.1 currently works on 68000 macs.

That page also notes:

On 68000 macs mail-, ftp- and news-apps like Eudora, Fetch, Anarchie
and NewsWatcher work fine. With NCSA Telnet you can't use control-keys
which Mac Plus lacks (in ZTerm you can use command instead of
control).

Hope this helps!

Subject: RADIUS SE/25 Accelerator

I've learned a lot from this group and really appreciate it. I've come
across enough Mac carcasses to have assembled half a dozen working
machines and have played Robin Hood with them. Usually deserving
youngsters get them. It gives these guys the exposure they will need in
this changing world. One particularly deserving kid started going to the
used/flea markets. He came back with this accelerator. I'd love to help
him make it work.

Here is the problem. It boots the accelerator with the little Radius
promo window, then the happy-mac, but siezes and rapidly flashes the
Welcome Window. The SE (4/200 with 7.1) works fine without accelerator
installed. I have no manual and don't know if the problem with jumper
settings. There are 6 sets of 3-pin jumpers. I've changed them one at a
time, causing different effects; usually errors that preceed the Radius
promo window. Now I'm back at square one. Does it just sound like a bad
board? Extensions off doesn't help either

Talk to you later, keep in touch

<-----------On January 20, 1997 I wrote:--------------

I would like to build an Emergengy Start-up Disk for my Mac LC which
contains some disk utilities other than just Disk First Aid.

[SNIP]

Can anyone point me to a source of a smaller system version that will
start up my Mac LC but will take up only about 600KB - 700KB on the
floppy? Is there a version of system 7 that is small enough? If so where
can I find it? Does such a thing even exist?

This list is a great resource!

Special thanks to:

Jeff Bipes & Dmitri V. Shishkin, Steve Smith and Bruce. All
these folks provided tips and sources for the software I needed. The trick
was to find a substitute for the Finder file that comes with the System and
replace it with something smaller. I tried one smaller substitute called
MicroFinder but it wouldn't work with my Mac LC and its 68020 chip. Here's
what's on the emergency boot disk I made:

1. System 7.0.1 (Stripped of everything including the Finder)
2. ShortFinder 1.5b2 (Replaces the Finder)
3. Norton Utilities (an older/smaller version)
4. Disk First Aid

If any of you are interested in doing something similar, there is also an
app called Emergency Disk Maker that is intended to be used with
ShortFinder 1.5b2, and should also be obtained from your favorite FTP site.

I just upgraded my IIfx (factory original) from 8 to 20 MB of RAM (around
$240 for four 4 MB SIMMS) and it speeded up a lot of the operations quite a bit.

I don't think there's any way to make a PowerMac of a IIfx -- or even
approach PowerMac speed on one. If there were, it would probably not be
cost-effective.

Good luck.

Rodney
(in Hayama Japan)

Subject:
Sent: 1/22/97 1:54 PM
Received: 1/23/97 9:55 AM
From: Truls Hanholm Wang-Johannessen
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

Hi folks,

I use a IIfx (1300 MB HD and 8 MB RAM), it's a good MAC, but a little bit slow.
Do anyone know how I can speed it up in a cheep way??
(It's already upgraded from a II to a IIfx)
Can I make a PowerMAC of it??

I hope anyone will answer me....

Subject: On the net with 2 Megs of RAM?
Sent: 1/23/97 8:54 PM
Received: 1/23/97 9:02 PM
From: Brevard Blythe (rekcaH caM)
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

Let me start by saying that I love these old Macs... I recently found an
old Mac 512k that had a broken monitor... upon inspection (and purchase)
I found that it had been upgraded to a Mac Plus via a company once
called Monster Mac... New ROMS, 2 Megs of RAM and a jerry rigged
(daughter) board sodered to it... the RAM is soldered to the board with
no way to increase it. There is a SCSI port out the back that I have a
40 Meg hard drive attached.
I repaired the monitor and got system 7.0 running on the thing (at
975k).My question is.. is there ANY way to get this Running on the net
(eudora and telnet.. not worried about web browsing... thats what my
performa is for). Do I have to switch to system 6.0.X and find some old
software??? I read the artical posted on this group regarding a 4 Megs
of RAM minimum... this is disheartening... as the chance of virtual
memory is out the window on the 68000 Macs. ANY replys or words of
ENCOURAGEMENT would be welcome.

You can indeed get your trusty Mac on the net (no browser) with 2 megs. YAY!

I use system 7.0.1, although 7.0 will work just fine.
Mac TCP 2.06
ConfigPPP 2.01
Newswatcher
MacWeb 1.1.1
Fetch 2.1.2

Here's how your ram allocations break down:

your system 7.0 (975k)
Eudora lite 1.55 (333k min, 500k prefered)
Telnet 2.6 (544k min)
----------------------
1852k total with minimum Eudora setting

You're on the net, dude
You can even run Teach Text as well

JAG

ps,

You can search the web for shareware email that may take even less ram.
Also, take aout EVERY extension and control panel (including printer
drivers) to see if you can squeeze out a few more k of ram. Run with 2 or 3
fonts only. Take EVERYTHING you don't absolutely need out of the sytem
folder to pare it down.

You CAN run apps with less than the min ram, although they may crash more
often. See what works best.

Subject: STILL MORE MACPLUS HD PROBLEMS!!!
Sent: 1/23/97 1:36 AM
Received: 1/23/97 11:10 AM
From: Bret Alan Fessenden
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

Hey all again,

I STILL cannot get my 20SC external drive to work with my MacPlus (4 RAM).

SNIP

1. Take a deep breath
2. Chill
3. Get a cup of Java. No make that Ovaltine. Caffeine is bad for you. : )
4. Sounds like your Plus SCSI is bad. If the 350 mb works but DOES NOT boot
from the Plus as it should, makes me think it's the Plus SCSI connector.
5. You could try one more drive on the plus just for the heck of it. If IT
does the same thing as the 350mb), you know it ain't the drive.
6. Take it to the shop. Although most charge $60 just to walk in the door
which is outrageous.
7. Buy a cheap Plus motherboard (about $25) and pop it in.

JAG

Does anyone have or know where I can get an inexpensive PMMU (MC68851) for
a Mac II?

Bob Poland

Subject: Bad Video Card?
Sent: 1/21/97 11:20 PM
Received: 1/22/97 9:37 AM
From: Chris Wallendorf
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

I have an accelerated Mac II which has worked well for many years as a
mail and calendar server on a small appletalk network. This weekend, the
monitor went black as if it had been turned off. Although the monitor
shows a black screen, the server is still operating and can be mounted
over the network. Thinking that the monitor had failed, I connected
another monitor to the Mac II with the same result--no picture. Next I
tried moving the video card to another slot. Still no change. Did my
video card die? It is the original Apple TBF video card. I'm sure the
monitor is getting power as it heats up. Could this problem be caused by
something else besides a failed video card? If so, what choices do I
have for replacement?

Try replacing the lithium batteries (yes batteries) on the logic board. One
of my clients had a similar problem and replacing the batteries did the
trick. The sticky part is that the batteries are soldered onto the logic
board, so its not as easy to replace. I actually just wound the leads of
the new battery around the old one, but I'd opt for a more permanent
solution next time.

Recently, an organization that I freelance for had a SE crash. It was the
hard disk and we have not been able to access it to recover any infor
mation. This is not the problem.

The SE was used soley to run a BBS and the incoming files were removed
daily. We immediatly connected a hard disk and installed System 7.0.1. I
installed the BBS software. and it is running fine.

The problem is that the SE cannot se the ethernet. (Yes, they do have an
ethernet board.) I specifically installed the network/ethernet software. It
still cannot see the ethernet. Any suggestions?

Terence Curtis

Subject: Bad Video Card?
Sent: 1/21/97 11:20 PM
Received: 1/22/97 9:37 AM
From: Chris Wallendorf
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

I have an accelerated Mac II which has worked well for many years as a
mail and calendar server on a small appletalk network. This weekend, the
monitor went black as if it had been turned off. Although the monitor
shows a black screen, the server is still operating and can be mounted
over the network. Thinking that the monitor had failed, I connected
another monitor to the Mac II with the same result--no picture. Next I
tried moving the video card to another slot. Still no change. Did my
video card die? It is the original Apple TBF video card. I'm sure the
monitor is getting power as it heats up. Could this problem be caused by
something else besides a failed video card? If so, what choices do I
have for replacement?

We had a similar problem w/ a monitor connected to a Mac II. It was the
Apple 14" RGB monitor that was sold w/ the system. Shutting down the
system and waiting a couple of minutes was the only solution.

It appears that the problem is w/ the monitor, not the card. I read a
description of the problem in Info-Alley, or similar publication, and it
said it was a problem w/ a capacitor w/in the monitor.

Hope this helps,
Larry

We had a similar problem w/ a monitor connected to a Mac II. It was the
Apple 14" RGB monitor that was sold w/ the system. Shutting down the
system and waiting a couple of minutes was the only solution.

It appears that the problem is w/ the monitor, not the card. I read a
description of the problem in Info-Alley, or similar publication, and it
said it was a problem w/ a capacitor w/in the monitor.

Well, I tried two different monitors on the Mac II without any change.
This morning, I shut down the system for 30 minutes and upon restart I
still have the problem. In any case, I usually do not keep the monitor
turned on with this computer as it is not used as a work station. If I
could figure out how to get Timbuktu on the system I could probably limp
by.

Thanks for your suggestion.

Chris Wallendorf

I am a proud owner of two Classic Macs, a IIvx and an SE. Im hoping to
get some upgrade advice for both plus some advice for a basic email/web
system for my mother.

1) I need/want to upgrade my IIvx as a stopgap until I purchase a PPC
late this year and then turn the thing into a file server/scan
station/print server. I am leaning toward the Sonnet 40/80 040 upgrade
with the FPU and the 128k L2. The Dystar is just to expensive. I would
be intrested to hear from anyone who has used this, espically in a IIvx.

2) I am also thinking of going with the Sonnet 030/16mhz upgrade for the
SE and adding the full 16mb ram for my "kitchen" Mac attached to the IIvx
over PhoneNet. Again, any comments.

3) I have a mother who still thinks that "those computers are just a
toy, a fad and they will never catch on." She run a day care center so
somethig she could keep the books on would be nice but I doubt she would
use it more than 5 minutes after I left the house. I would like to set
up an email/web station for her. Crazy thing is that her parents have a
Performa 6100 and are active "surfers." I have been leaning toward an
SE/30 with max 16MB Ram, a Zip drive, and an HP DJ600 running MacWeb but
I have also looked ar the Performa 63X series as a possible solution. I
would rather have an all in one unit but I know nothing about the 5xx
series. Again, any help.

Thanks,

Rob Sholl

Subject: Apple ImageWriter II
Sent: 1/23/97 6:40 AM
Received: 1/23/97 11:09 AM
From: NT
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

What cable do I need to get-specifically to hook it up to my Mac?

you need a standard DIN-8 cable ($10). this usually comes with all apple
printers. (also probably the same one you are using on your deskwriter.

I assume there isn't a power adapter specifically for this printer? I am
thinking I should be able to just use a generic one?

are you talking about a power cable? if so, apple uses the same power
cables for most of its hardware, so any would work. a generic one if fine
too.

I am interested in getting a switch box so that I can switch between these
2 printers as I need. What do I need for switching? I don't want to get
port juggler-seems a bit much for just 2 printers. And yes, my other
serial port is in use for my GV Platinum-which I use much too often to
consider that port in this scenario.

you can try networking your printers. for that, you want to make sure
that both printers are appletalk ready. for the deskwriter, check the
manual or call hp. for the imagewriter, look inside the printer, under
the front panel. there may be a localtalk card installed. (make sure it
is not a 32k buffer card). if all is fine, you can get localtalk nodes
(phonenet compatible) for less than $15 each. you will need one for each
devise you are connecting.

What is the name of these ink ribbon things?

imagewriter ribbons are still available. i buy the apple ones from
macwarehouse.

What media will this print on? Can I print labels?

most paper media works. labels and anything made to work on dot matrix
printers are fine also. there is a lever used to adjust the distance
between the print head and the drum. open the front cover and the lever
at the right next to the rod on which the print head moves. it has 4
positions.

hope this all helps.

Hilal Malawi

Opps, Im one of the ones that hadnt been reading the header. Sorry.

Another question to any IIvx owners. I want to upgrade my VRAM.
MacSecrets says I can go to 1mb by adding a 512k. Is this a special 512k
VRAM or will the ones that are advertised work. Also, has anyone done
this? Does it do anything to spped performance or will I just spen $30
or so?

Thanks again.

Rob Sholl

Hi friends,
I use a IIfx (a uppgraded II) with 1,3 GB HD and 8 MB RAM.
It s a grate MAC, but a little bit slow.
Do anyone know how to speed it up in a cheep way?
Can I make a PowerMAC of it?

Thanx.