Table of Contents for this issue:

plus and ethernet
Re: Classic Macs Digest 2.9
SE/30
Sonnet Allegro SE Help
Re: Classic Macs Digest 2.7
Mac Plus problem
Wanted ....
Mouse for Mac Plus
IIsi and LCII
RE: Classic Macs Digest 2.7
RE: Classic Macs Digest 2.9
[macwiz] SUMMARY DiiMo '030 accelerator
[macwiz] SUMMARY Which CD Rom?
Re: Mac Plus Mouse
Re: Classic Macs Digest 2.9
printer and OS fer SE
Re: Phone Cable Network
SE 30 mac os best?

Can the Plus be used with ethernet?
Thanks,
doug

Date: Sun, Feb 2, 1997 6:03 PM EDT
From: Jacky128
Subj: WTB Total Systems Accelerators
To: ZOZ Tek

I have a TOTAL SYSTEMS accelerator for a Macintosh Classic.

Hi, My name is John. Jacky128 has a Total Systems accelerator for the
Classic. They were the best accelerators. Good Luck.

I'm setting up this beauty for my sister. 8megs of ram and a 210meg Cirrus
hard drive and system 7.1.3 and everything works fine.
Only trouble is Disk Doctor dosn't work on the hard drive. Don't think the
hard drive has apple roms......what can I do to keep the hard drive humming
along. Should I use an old version of Nortons' Utilities? Which version of
Nortons?
Jim Kelly

Hi classic Mac addict.I am looking for the software that comes with the
Sonnet"Allegro SE" accelerator card for the Mac SE does anyone have it? I
have a used AllegrSE card that I bought, but it won't work properly w\out
the extension software.I 've been waiting for
over a month to get the software from Sonnet but it's still not here..
Please Help
If anyone has it please Email it to me
Thanks a lot
LF

In a message dated 2/16/97 6:51:15 PM, you wrote:

Subject: Color Quickdraw
Sent: 2/8/97 7:25 PM
Received: 2/9/97 10:20 AM
From: NeonGooch
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

From: Chris Adams

Anyone want to write a Color QuickDraw emulator for black & white Macs? :)


Apple does ! Its called 32-bit quickdraw. Its an extention for older Macs
that don't have color quickdraw in ROM (such as the Plus and Mac 2). It comes
with system 6.0.7 and 6.0.8 (on the printing tools disk) and can also be
found seperatly for system 7 users. Of course it doesn't give the plus color
but some programs need it for screen draw even in B&W.

Color QD requires at LEAST an 020 processor. The only B&W Macs that
benefit from this are the SE/30 and Classic II. The others are still out of
luck.

--- Chip

I have a Mac Plus 1/0 with the following symptoms. When I first boot up,
with a cold machine, the screen will sometimes get 'wavy' for a second -
like the Plus is about to segue into a dream sequence. This doen't happen
everytime I use it, and when it does happen it usually only happens once
or twice.

Once the Mac's been on for a couple of hours the screen will sometimes
black out. If i tap the right side of the case near the top it comes back
on - but it blacks out again from time to time if I continue to use it.
It seems to me that some connection is coming loose as the temperature
inside goes up.

Does anybody know what the exact problem is? or how much it would cost to
fix it? (does anybody even repair old Mac Pluses anymore?) I've never
opened a 'compact' Mac before so I don't think I'm up to repairing it
myself.

thanks,
Joe Svatek

Wanted -- A Kensington Trackball designed to work with a Mac SE
( the plug fits into the side of the keyboard ) will negotiate or trade other
equipment.

Also - A good used 200 - 300 mb harddrive for a Mac SE
( again, will negotiate or trade other equipment)

I have a Mac Plus, but no mouse for it. I thought I could use a 9-pin
serial mouse from one of my friend's PCs, but the connectors for the Mac
mouse are female on the computer and male on the mouse, whereas the PC
mouse is female on the mouse and male on the computer. Can I just use a
gender-bender to convert the connector, or are the pin-outs different,

Won't work. Don't confuse connector compatability wihtfunctional
compatability.

in which case, where do I find an old Mac Plus mouse?

I have one avail either in the orig. beige or the new Platinum color $15.00
Contact me.

jeff bipes

The IIsi is a very versatile MAChine. It has Internal Video out at up to
256 colors. It has slot that once an FPU/Adaptor is installed ($40.00
new), allows any nubus card you like.
I have one IIsi running as web server with an ethernet card filling that
slot, and another with 24-bit color card in it that allows TWO monitors,
(One on internal, one on the card). Its not much faster than what you
have, 20 Mhz over your 16 Mhz. It allows 16 meg of ram( 4 x4 ),giving a
respectable 17 meg total. You can also configure it 1 x 4 for 5 meg, 2
x4 for 9 meg, but you must use four 30-pin simms.
Eric The Web Wandering Wonderer

Subject: Mac IIsi
Sent: 2/8/97 3:43 AM
Received: 2/9/97 10:20 AM
From: Gina Wallace
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

I'm looking for a "beginner" computer for my almost 5-yr.-old
granddaughter. I'm also very cheap. A recent ad in our local paper has a
Mac IIsi (with external CD) listed for $200 so the price is right! We have
our old LC II set up for her at our house and she seems very content with
it (I justify its slow pace as teaching her patience.) I understand that
the IIsi has the same processor as the LC II, but wonder if there are other
advantages, disadvantages. I assume it has color and would be about the
same size as the LCII, but that's just a guess. Any information would be
appreciated.
--------------
Gina Wallace
Topsham, Maine

Subject: Color Quickdraw
Sent: 2/8/97 7:25 PM
Received: 2/9/97 10:20 AM
From: NeonGooch
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

From: Chris Adams

Anyone want to write a Color QuickDraw emulator for black & white Macs? :)


Apple does ! Its called 32-bit quickdraw. Its an extention for older Macs

Apple does not! Support for colour is part of the Mac OS. If the
original programmer supports colour on a B+W Mac then your Mac will
handle 'colour', early photoshop would run on Mac SE etc. The 32 Bit
Quickdraw was supplied for Mac II machines and does not do anything on
early Macs, execpt show an Icon at startup.

PBJ

Subject: Radius Rocket
Sent: 2/8/97 8:01 AM
Received: 2/9/97 10:20 AM
From: Robert Sholl
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

Does anyone out there have any expierence with a Radius Rocket (33mhz
040)?

I have a chance to buy one cheap but I have no idea if it will work in
my IIvx or if I am going to have to buy extra memory for it. The spec
sheet says it requires 8mb of ram but doesnt say if that is ram on the
system board or additional ram that must be placed on the card. Also,
since it has 8 SIMM slots, do I have to add 8 like SIMMS or can I add
them one at a time?

I have a couple of Rockets in Mac IIs. You need Rocket Share to run a
Rocket on a IIvx, this is not free, and I hope that you get a copy with
your card. My Mac II now runs like a Q610!

You need to use groups of 4 SIMMs. they can be old 100ns SIMMS on the
33MHz or 120 ns SIMMS for the 25i version. Parity or non-parity.

The two problems that I have had are,
1, It requires 4 meg of RAM on the Mac and 8 meg on the card, minimum.
Once the Rocket starts, I can't use the Macs RAM and I loose 1.5meg of
RAM for the cards own uses. If I use older system software I can use
less, it should run with 6.0.7 on a MacII.
2, your system software stops at 7.1, not usually a problem if you are
still using old software.
3, on my Mac II I can't use VM! (yes I have a PMMU)

Rocket Share does a few more things like allowing you to set up the
rocket card as a seprate CPU inside your Mac and can be independant of
the workings of the host Mac.

I paid $150 australian for my card and it seems worth it, but there are
a lot of new system things that are not completely compatable. Radius
has a web site at www.radius.com for more info.

PBJ

Subject: Mouse for Mac Plus
Sent: 2/13/97 9:39 PM
Received: 2/15/97 7:34 PM
From: alovett
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

I have a Mac Plus, but no mouse for it. I thought I could use a 9-pin
serial mouse from one of my friend's PCs, but the connectors for the Mac
mouse are female on the computer and male on the mouse, whereas the PC
mouse is female on the mouse and male on the computer. Can I just use a
gender-bender to convert the connector, or are the pin-outs different, in
which case, where do I find an old Mac Plus mouse? Thanks for any
assistance.

PC Mice don't work on Macs, but... You can use a PC serial mouse on a
Mac serial port if you can dig up a Mouse driver that was round years
ago. It allowed you to use a PC Mouse but you loose a serial port on
your Mac. You can rewire an Amiga mouse to work on a Mac Plus, I think
an old Atari mouse may work too.

PBJ

Subject: printers suitable for SE
Sent: 2/14/97 10:11 AM
Received: 2/15/97 7:34 PM
From: Kam Shu Kin
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

Hello everybody,
I have a SE and I want to know which printers are best fitted for SE. For
your information, I have a imagewriter and I find that the quality is not
so good. I have Stylewriter 1200 too but it can not be used by SE and
therefore, I use it for another Mac machine.
Besides, which OS is the best for SE with 4M RAM? 6.0.3, 7.0.1, 7.1 or
7.5.5?
Best Regards,

StyleWriter, StyleWriter II or some early HP printers. They are getting
hard to find.

PBJ

Subject: Mac II Memory upgrade
Sent: 2/15/97 5:32 AM
Received: 2/15/97 7:34 PM
From: Andrew Morley
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

I rescued a truly classic Mac II for my girlfriend. With its 2 meg of RAM
it hasn't really got enough memory to make a good job of system 7, but with
system 6.0.7 (I couldn't find a UK version of it so I Anglicised it using
resedit!) and Clarisworks 2 it makes a great workhorse for her. (I wonder
how many of its MSDOS-based contemporaries are still useful!). It has a
40M internal HD and an 800k floppy drive which, sadly, doesn't work.
Still, the network and SCSI works, so between them the lack of floppy is a
minor nuisance.

8 x1 meg SIMMs are a good start. You can use another 800k drive, if you
want to wreck an older Mac. 2 Meg SIMMs don't work. and you need to find
the 4 meg 'special' simms to go higher. There was a couple of other
problems on early MacII boards that meant most people stopped at 8 meg.
You can put a PMMU chip in your MacII and run Virtual Memory. I got my
chip from Sonnet Tech. Apple saved money and put a custom chip into the
PMMU socket, which is the black thing just behind the CPU marked 68020.
A Floating Point Unit is also Handy. And for a bigger screen use
Maxapplezoom which expands your original video, (shareware)

PBJ

Subject: SE Upgrade
Sent: 2/16/97 4:26 AM
Received: 2/16/97 2:36 PM
From: Julia Bauer
To: Classic Macs, classic-post@hitznet.com

I read in the most recent MacAddict magazine that my SE may be upgradable
to an SE/30 with a logic board replacement. I have an 4/40 SE with an
E-net card in it that I want to use for a LocalTalk Gateway (Apple SW for
EtherTalk to LocalTalk) and as a mail server AIMS. I also have a 1 GB
hard drive to put in as well.

My concern is over the warning MA gave that some "older" SEs may not be
able to handle the upgrade with an internal expansion card installed.
How do you identify if your system is "older"?

SE expansion boards don't work in SE/30s, they have the same connector
but are different animals. Apart from that it should be OK, Power
supplies and cases are the same. If you have newer faster SIMMS you can
reuse your old RAM in the newer board, and add lots more. Your old
800k(?) drive will work but you could install a SuperDrive instead.

PBJ

(Cross-posted to Mac Wizards and Classic Macs)

Hope you all don't mind. Tom Schneider sent me some wonderful information
regarding a PDS accelerator for SE/30. This is for the DiiMo '030 50MHz
accelerator.

Thanks to Tom, I plan on purchasing one!

Tom's info follows:

When you install the DiiMO accelerator it completely bypasses the CPU/FPU
soldered to the motherboard. This is the beauty of the PDS (Processor Direct
Slot). All of the "pin-outs" of the original CPU are accessed by the
accelerator card. Hence, software sees an ordinary 68030 CPU when you launch
it. But instead of being executed on the 16 mHz original motherboard CPU,
program code is getting passed right along to the faster 50 mHz 68030 chip on
the DiiMO card. Inherent within the Mac design, an FPU present within the
system must run at the same clock speed as the main CPU. So, not only is the
original 16 mHz 68030 on the motherboard ignored, so is the 16 mHz FPU. In
addition, the DiiMO card has to have specific circuitry on the card that
"links" the 68030 with its 68882 FPU so software realizes the FPU is there,
and so the 68030 will properly pass FPU instructions to the 68882. So if you
get a card without the FPU, you can't just buy a 68882 chip later on and
"install" it (a. there's no place to put it, and b. the card wouldn't have
any way to utilize it unless there's a specific slot in which to put it).

A decade ago, companies marketing their CPUs made a big deal about having
matched FPUs. As usual, most of this was marketing hype. Apple realized they
could save a lot of money in motherboard design by dropping the FPU from the
package, but making it possible to add one later as need be. This gave birth
to the IIsi. Unfortunately, too many Mac developers believed Apple when they
were told that all 68030 motherboard designs would ALWAYS have an FPU. Their
programs contained a little sub-routine that identified the CPU and tested
for an FPU. No FPU and you got a bomb or a message telling you the program
wouldn't run on your machine. Simply because when the program identified the
CPU as a 68030, the lack of an FPU meant (to the program) that your
motherboard was failing! Of course, this affected primarily Microsoft
applications, but we know how that goes.

So after the IIsi, developers were warned not to assume the presence of an
FPU any more. Most applications were fixed within the next revision (it
didn't really require much work, essentially removal of some offending code).
Considering that this all happened back in 1990 and 1991 (before System 7.0),
unless you really go digging you won't find any software (at least maybe not
any you'd really want to run on any Mac) that absolutely requires the FPU.
That doesn't mean that developers couldn't still code applications to use an
FPU if they wanted to. Many programers produced separate FPU and non-FPU
versions of their programs (that were sold separately as well -- generally
the non-FPU version was considerably cheaper). Others utilized an installer
that could simply "patch in" the FPU code during the installation process
(the installer would stop and ask at some point what version of the program
you wanted installed). Generally, as the hubub over FPUs dissipated, most
programmers produced code that would simply recognize an FPU if there was
one, and the FPU code would pass directly to the chip for execution and you
would never know the difference (all of this was "built-in" sort of in the
way "fat-binary" applications for both 68K and PPC machines work now -- the
code for both was there but only what could run did).

I realize this is getting long... but the FPU is probably one of the most
misunderstood pieces of computer hardware there is. Mathematically, the CPU
processes only "integer" functions... i.e. functions that are basically
simple math. The FPU deals only with "floating point" functions (hence the
name "FPU" for "Floating Point Unit"). Many people prefer to refer to the
functions the FPU handles as "transcendental" functions. These are all of the
logarithmic functions you don't normally deal with when you are balancing
your checkbook or making change at the grocery store. Apple produced a little
piece of software called "SANE" (Standard Apple Numerics Environment) that
processes these higher math functions using integer operations when there is
no FPU. It is inherently slower. But Apple had to do something because the
original Macs had 68000 CPUs and no possibility of an FPU (well, maybe
Motorolla had one, but no one ever considered using it). Apple did attempt to
make up for the slowness of SANE by making it just about as accurate as is
possible (SANE carries decimals out to something like 19 digits -- the 68882
FPU only handles 16 I think but this is moot since you'll never see any but
specialized software display more than about an 11 digit decimal).

Why do I care? Well, the software I bought my SE/30 to run is geared toward
math (I'm running an old version of MathCad) and statistics (several programs
actually). The FPU makes a tremendous difference here. And I can tell. I need
to keep both FPU and non-FPU versions of MathCad on my Duo 230 hard drive
because when I'm docked I have the FPU in the Duo Dock, but undocked I have
no FPU. MathCad calculates the formulas in a document when you open it (it
doesn't have to but I've found I forget to calculate them manually on
occasion). I can be up and working when docked in a few seconds, but without
the FPU, MathCad just grinds along for many minutes before I can get to work.
On the fun side, I use Voyager II v.2.0 (the astronomy program) and sky
re-draws and orbital calculations are definitely assisted by the FPU. I've
done some playing with a Fortran application as well that seems sluggish
without an FPU.

In truth, the work applications all have current PPC versions available so
when I eventually upgrade there is no reason to have the older versions still
running around on the SE/30. I just can't part with this machine though. If
Apple understood even half of my loyalty to this old Mac, the company and
Macs would simply be the most prevalent computer on the face of the earth.

Hope this helps!

[Hey! Wake up! It's over! He's done!]

Tom

(Cross-posted to Mac Wizards and Classic Macs)

Thanks for the replies, especially Tom Schneider, who loves his SE/30 more
than I love mine (He's had his longer.)

Basically, there doesn't really seem to be a system limitation as far as the
SE/30 running a fast CD Rom, as the SCSI bus is very fast. However, I suspect
that the difference in speed from an 8x to a 12x would not be noticeable on
my 16MHx '030. I'll now be looking for a 4x external, which I think will be
compatible $-wise with my SE/30 investment.

As a side note, it appears the DiiMo 50MHz '030 accelerator is a great add
on, and the prices are much better now than when introduced ($200 vs. $600.)
Further, they seem to have no incompatibilities, unlike the Daystar '040
upgrade which was not supported beyond System 7.5.3.

Responses and original post follow:

Myron L. Cramer

Apple brands work with the standard system software. Otehr brands
require drivers that may have limited system compatibility.

Bo Bjulen

Hmm, that's two different things. A 12x CD drive with a large cache
would do a lot of good for a SE/30 but it's probably not worth the
cost....

TSchneider

By all means get the most current CD-ROM drive your budget allows. I
purchased an Apple CD-600e (a 4X unit despite the name) last summer and it
works beautifully with either my SE/30 or my Duo 230 and DuoDock. The problem
with older Apple CD-ROM drives is the lack of any consistency on Apple's part
for assured backward compatibility with the CD-ROM drivers that ship with the
OS. If you settle on a non-Apple drive, just be sure it works with one of the
universal CD-ROM drivers that are available (but make sure those drivers are
compatible with 7.5.5).
Realistically, I could not detect any difference at all between a 2X and a 4X
CD-ROM drive. All the hype regarding 6X, 8X, and 10X mechanisms is probably
just that (hype) as well. There's very little in the way of software out
there actually makes use of all that spinning! The real advance will lie in
DVD... but only if it comes with something other than SCSI (Firewire, USB,
etc.). If Sony gets to market first with a DVD device, Firewire will probably
win (Sony's digital video cameras have Firewire connectors already built in).

Thomas Mehle

I think you received bad advice. Someone was confusing the serial port
and the SCSI port. The serial port on the SE/30 maxes out at a speed roughly
equal to the max of a 2x CD-ROM. However, the SCSI port is capable of much higher
speeds. I upgraded to a 4x CD-ROM (NEC) on my Mac II and there was a very noticeable
speed improvement.

rhoades

Apple's excellent 300i+ are around for like $50-60. The 4x 600e are only
$100, in case you might want to use the drive elsewhere later.

Places to try, from ads in MacWeek (I cannot vouch for any):
http://www.macworks.com (have the 600e for $99)
http://www.getnet.com/macsale
http://www.shrevesystems.com
http://www.sunrem.com
http://www.smalldoggy.com

CyberBeans

Just a thought, you may want to consider an APS CD/PD drive. It is a 4X
CD-ROM and a 650MB optical drive. Great for backup and you get killer driver
and utility software with it.

They usually have adds in MAcWeek, MacWorld, MacUser, and possibly in
MacAddict. Phone is 1-800-677-3294. web is http://www.apstech.com

The product is APS PD4 CD-ROM/Removable Optical and the price was $599 when I
bought it.

Only question is what the minimum OS version is. They would know.

TOO EXPENSIVE FOR MY $50.00 SE/30!<

Hi folks.

I'm in the process of turning my SE/30 into the most super SE/30 that I can
without major surgery. Running 7.5.5, 20megs Ram (maybe will be 32 later this
week?), Xceed color video card, and drooling over a DiiMo Accelerator.

I want to get a used CD rom. I understand that my bus probably can't do much
with anything over a 2x. (I.E. a 4x would not be faster given other SE/30
limitations)

If I can find a used external 2x CD Rom, what should I hope for? What should
I stay away from?

And while we're at it, should I be drooling over the DiiMo 50KHz accelerator?

Thanks for your input.

Brian Scarborough

Rex,

I just answered a post re: IBM mouse on a Plus, and said that
these are not directly compatable. I seem to remember, however,
instructions for rewiring a IBM serial mouse for use on a Plus,
but I don't recall the web site. Perhaps I was dreaming?

There were a few 3rd party mice made for the Plus, but will
likely be harder to find that a genuine Apple mouse.

Anyway, try the following sites for used Plus mice:

http://www.thearc.com
http://www.computers-plus.com
http://www.macparts.com
http://www.macresq.com
http://www.getnet.com/macsale/
http://www.mediaguide.com
http://www.go-nexus-go.com/nexcomp/
http://poweron-line.com
http://www.pftech.com
http://www.smalldoggy.com
http://www.sunrem.com (likely the most expensive of the group)

Expect to pay between $25 to $50, depending on where you go.
Then again, used Plus units can go for as little as $50 with
kb and mouse, so you might consider doing this if you want a
Plus for spares.

Regards,

Bob Eye

Subject: MacPlus Mouse
Sent: 2/9/97 11:59 PM
Received: 2/15/97 7:34 PM
From: Rex
To: Classic Macs Digest, classic-post@hitznet.com

I need a mouse for a MacPlus. I want to spend the least amount of
money I can & I'm wondering if I can use another type of mouse &
just replace the end. Does anyone know if this is possible? If it
is, how do you do it?
Thanks

Hello everybody,
I have a SE and I want to know which printers are best fitted for SE. For
your information, I have a imagewriter and I find that the quality is not
so good. I have Stylewriter 1200 too but it can not be used by SE and
therefore, I use it for another Mac machine.
Besides, which OS is the best for SE with 4M RAM? 6.0.3, 7.0.1, 7.1 or 7.5.5?
Best Regards,

You can use an Apple PostScript Laser Printer with an SE quite easily. This was the setup that supported the desktop printing revolution. A used LWIINT or PLWNT(R) would serve you well, as would a LWIINTX or LWIIf or LWIIg. They wouldn't be too pricy - you can visit Sun Remarketing to see about prices. <http://www.sunrem.com/>
The StyleWriter II driver WILL work on an SE and will print to the StyleWriter 1200 printer; you just won't get watermarks and a couple of other features. (you may not get 720dpi, but 360 is pretty good).
Here is an excerpt from the ReadMe for the SWII software.

PRINTER SOFTWARE &emdash; WHAT'S NEW

This document includes the latest information about your printer software,
as well as hints and tips for printing. See the user's guide that came
with this software for complete instructions on installing and using your
printer software.

If your Macintosh can display color or shades of gray (instead of just
black and white), you can print images in shades of gray (grayscale) as
well as in black and white. To print grayscale images, choose Grayscale
from the pop-up menu in the Print dialog box.

If your Macintosh is connected to an AppleTalk network, you can share your
printer with other users on the network without adding any extra hardware
or software.


SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS

Your printer works with Macintosh computers with system software version
7.0 or later installed, and that have hard disk drives with sufficient
available space. The Installer will check the space on your hard drive
and tell you if you don't have enough.

You can also use your printer with system software version 6.0.7 or later
installed on the hard drive of your Macintosh.

Opinions vary a lot about OSs, depending on preferences for neat features, etc. If you don't plan to network (share files) on your SE, then 6.0.7 or 6.0.8 would be the way to go. The main difference is TrueType, which you'll need if you're going to be printing to your StyleWriter.
Most classic users seem to prefer System 7.1 *with Upgrade 3*. It handles fonts more easily than 7.0.1, and is leaner than any of the variants of 7.5. If you run 7.1, there are a lot of alternative third party sources for the 7.5 features.

All the best, Dave

A good printer for the SE is the imagewriter 2..better and faster
than the original imagewriter....to use the other apple printers,
the SE would have to be upgraded to at LEAST a 68020 or faster..

I believe some early HP,or cannon ink Jets,could run on a SE as
well..

As for the best MAC OS for a SE with 4mb of ram, MAC OS 6.0.8.
or system 7.0, are the best choices..although you could run everything
else up to 7.5.5, but it'll be slow,and a RAM HOG to boot!

go with 6.0.8.........

Nican

You have to check out your home phone wiring system carefully. Most
systems have 4 wires, red, green, yellow and black. The red and green are
for the phone. Be careful with these wires, as they can contain a good
voltage. When the phone is ringing, they carry some 90 volts, and can
give you a good shock.

The black and yellow are the ones you want.

Be aware that this will *not* work if your home is equiped with two phone
lines, though. The second line will be carried on the black and yellow
wires.

To use one's SE30,to surf the net,and do email,system 7.1 and beyond
is the way to go...the others 7.5.7.5.3. and 7.5.5 work just as well
on the SE30...THE TRICK being,having the RAM to run those other
examples of system 7..

I have 20 mb of ram,(60 with ram doubler 2) and have NO problems running
7.5.5.....and I use my SE30 to receive email such as the CLASSIC mac posts..
as well to surf the internet....I have also replaced the 40 HD with a 230
apple-conner HD outta a CENTRIS 650...

The only problem is the slow 16 mhz of the se30,which should IMPROVE
greatly, once I install a 50 MHZ card from MicroMac...

myself, I love my SE30,better than my PPC upgraded quadra 700....

for you SE30 fans, I have some left over parts from a donor one...

and a rasterops 24 bit colour card for the se30,and a radius 68020/16 MHZ
card fer a mac se for sale,if anyone is interested...

thanks

Nican