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Re: Sad Mac Error Codes
Mac II vi
Re: Sad Mac Error Codes
2 questions for Mac SE Users
OneScanner and HD Formatters
Re: FoolProof Isn't
IIci Memory Stuff
Re: Ethernet for si
Re:Fans--Cooling Old 128k & 512 Macs
Re: Mac II vi
Web Browser for System 6
Re: SyQuest??

Subject: Re: Sad Mac Error Codes
Sent: 3/6/97 11:49 AM
Received: 3/6/97 6:27 PM
From: MJFriese

I've just inherited a 1 Mb Mac/floppy Mac Plus from the haematology
department of my hospital and when it is powered up the sad Mac icon is the
first and only thing to appear, with this code, 01E3BE and some bits
cycling underneath the icon, it does this whether there is a valid system
disk in there or not. I've looked in the TIL, downloaded the TIL's
Diagnostics-The "Sad Mac" icon data file, read it but cannot make any sense
of it whatsoever, is there anyone out there with the necessary skills able
to make head or tail of these things.

Sad news. Your mac is reporting a very rare "Bad ROM" error. Since the ROM
is soldered down to the board, it really is not replaceable. you might try
disassembling the Mac just in case a piece of solder or something is
shorting a trace. Good luck.


Here is reprint of a FAQ in the subject:

This numeric code is in two parts: the first two characters are the class
code and the second four are the sub code. The class code tells what part
of the diagnostic program found the error and the sub class code tells what
the error was. In the case of a bad RAM chip, the sub class identifies the
bad chip (this was very helpful to homegrown upgraders).


Class Code Sub Code
1 = ROM test failed Meaningless
2 = Memory test - bus subtest identifies bad chips
3 = Memory test - byte write identifies bad chips
4 = Memory test - Mod3 test identifies bad chips
5 = Memory test - address uniqueness identifies bad chips


Single Chip Identification

Data Bit Location Sub Code Bits
0 F5 0001
1 F6 0002
2 F7 0004
3 F8 0008
4 F9 0010
5 F10 0020
6 F11 0040
7 F12 0080
8 G5 0100
9 G6 0200
10 G7 0400
11 G8 0800
12 G9 1000
13 G10 2000
14 G11 4000
15 G12 8000

Class Code Sub Code
F = Exception 0001 Bus error
0002 Address error
0003 Illegal instruction
0004 Zero divide
0005 Check instruction
0006 Traps instruction
0007 Privilege violation
0008 Trace
0009 Line 1010
000A Line 1111
000B Other exception
000C Nothing
000D NMI (normal indication)
0064 Couldnąt Read System File into Memory

Subject: Mac II vi
Sent: 3/6/97 11:49 AM
Received: 3/6/97 6:27 PM
From: MJFriese

I got a II vi from work (well actually I borrowed it, but I have no
intention to give it back). Are there any II vi owners on this list
that can tell me about their adventures with the machine ?

The IIvi was the international version of the IIvx sold here. It was
identical to the IIvx with following differences:

- IIvx had 32K L2 cache, IIvi had none.
- IIvx was 32MHz, IIvi was 16Mhz.
- IIvx has FPU, IIvi was an option

I have a IIvx running system 7.5.5. It is the most reliable and stable Mac I
have ever owned.

Subject: Re: Sad Mac Error Codes
Sent: 3/6/97 6:39 AM
Received: 3/6/97 6:27 PM
From: ehintz
To: cmpost,

I've just inherited a 1 Mb Mac/floppy Mac Plus from the haematology
department of my hospital and when it is powered up the sad Mac icon is the
first and only thing to appear, with this code, 01E3BE and some bits
cycling underneath the icon, it does this whether there is a valid system

From my reading of the TIL, it would seem that the ROM test failed.


Subject: 2 questions for Mac SE Users
Sent: 3/6/97 5:37 PM
Received: 3/6/97 6:27 PM
From: Bill Vinson
To: Classic Macs Mailing List,

Question #1:
I have spoken with several users to get this first question answered, but
I am still falling short. Here is the background:

1 PowerMac 7100 with Global Village Teleport
1 PowerBook 160 with internal modem
1 Mac SE with no modem.
1 Stylewriter 1200

I have these three macs hooked up on an appletalk network. The obvious
choice would be to use the 7100 to control the SW 1200, however, both of
its ports are tied up (appletalk and modem). I want to use the Mac SE to
control the printer. I know the SW 1200 is only supposed to work on a
68030 or higher. I was under the impression that the SW 1200 could be
run with the SW II drivers. So far I have not gotten this to work. I
want this printer to be shared between the three computers so I can print
from any of them. The PB 160 is not a good choice because half of the
time it is absent from my network. I know of the ethernet adapter for
the SE 1200, but I don't want to spend that kind of money when I
eventually want to renovate an old LaserWriter IINT. Anyone have any
ideas? I will takee any hack you can think of? Thanks :)

Question #2:
I want to hook the Mac SE up to the PowerMac by ethernet. I already
have a transceiver on the 7100 for 10base2 and I am tring to find an
affordable one ($20 or under) for the Mac SE's PDS slot. Any ideas. The
only place I have found to sell them is PowerOn-line computers and they
said that they could not guarantee what type of card I would get and it
would not come with software. That makes it pretty unuseable...

Any help is appreciated...Post to either the list or me directly.

Thanks, Bill

Subject: OneScanner and HD Formatters
Sent: 3/5/97 8:26 PM
Received: 3/6/97 6:27 PM
From: Amitai Schlair

I just got the deal of the century through my high school: an Apple //e, 5.25-inch disk drive, and very nice monitor (as Apple ][ monitors go) for ***$5!*** (The "technology coordinator" obviously didn't know the historic value of the computer.) But even for the sake of background info, I digress...

I'm posting here because he threw in an Apple OneScanner free with my $5 purchase, saying that "it's a great machine, we just couldn't find software for it." I figured he just didn't know where to look... :p Also, he has several 40MB hard disks that I could buy and use with my Mac Plus. So the questions:

1) What kind of software does the Apple OneScanner need, and what is its compatibility with, say, a Mac Plus or a Performa 6115CD, or anything in between?

2) Are there still hard disk formatters that can install System 6-compatible drivers, and set an interleave ratio of 3:1? My Microtech formatting utility does, but it only works for Microtech drives, and the drives I'd be buying are "Direct." (Better than Indirect, I suppose. ;)

Thanks much for any info.
Amitai Schlair

Subject: Re: FoolProof Isn't
Sent: 3/5/97 4:00 PM
Received: 3/6/97 6:27 PM
From: Gina Wallace
To: cmpost,

I would be forced to recommend
AtEase or Kid's Desk over FoolPROOF, since these not only give limited access
but depend on a password, not a key combination, to disable their

I have used FoolProof but am not impressed. In my high school English
class I use Launch Pad (BerkelySystems) and can highly recommend it.
Similar to Kid's Desk, but much more effective and fun to use, and even
though it's designed for young children, none of my 16-18yr.olds are
insulted by it. In fact, other staff members like to come to my room to
use the computer because it's so much easier to access an application and
save files.

You can have up to 40 users with their own files. It also includes some
fun applications for very young children. My grandchildren have been able
to use the computer entirely on their own from age 3--they recognize their
own icons and launch their own programs. The only problem I've encountered
is that with 4MB of Ram I cannot successfully run background printing.
But with 8MB there's no problem at all.

Subject: IIci Memory Stuff
Sent: 3/5/97 9:55 PM
Received: 3/6/97 6:28 PM
From: David

Subject: Re: Mac IIci Memory Weirdness
Sent: 3/5/97 9:56 AM
Received: 3/5/97 6:36 PM
From: Robert Eye


According to Apple's Hardware Note 515, 16 MB is the limit when you
have 24 bit addressing set (including memory support for the NuBus
slots, etc.). Go into the Memory Control Panel and change the
addressing to 32 bit and see if this works. Apparently, the 8 MB
limit on 24 bit addressing is for older Macs without 32 bit clean
ROMs (even with Mode32 installed). Try this first.

Also, IIci memory needs to be "Fast Page Mode" type memory. Most all
current memory meets this requirement, but some older memory may not.
Again, from HW 515:

IIci Memory Specifications:

256k (made from 1 MB Fast Page Mode parts), 1 MB, 4 MB, or 16 MB. SIMM.s
RAS: 80 ns
CAS: 20 ns
Access type: Fast Page Mode
Refresh Type: CAS before RAS
Refresh Period: 15.6 us

If your 1 MB SIMMs are old, they may not support the Fast Page Mode
or CAS before RAS requirements. Were they perhaps old PC SIMMs?

I could also be that your particular IIci requires *parity* RAM;
apparently, Apple made some IIci's that required parity RAM because
US governemt procurement requirements at the time required parity RAM.
The parity chip should be near the front of the card by the SIMM
connectors; if you have a chip there (about 1" x 1") you need parity
RAM. If there is a blank place on the motherboard where a surface mount
IC could have been soldered, then you don't have the parity chip and
don't need parity memory. While a possibility, this is the least
likely scenario.

There is no hardware limit per se on the IIci going above 16 MB RAM.

David writes:

We have some of the parity-checking Macs where I work (we sub from the
government). With non-parity simm's installed, there will be a message
box at startup indicating that parity checking will be turned off because
it's not functioning. If you hit OK, the IIci will continue rebooting and
everything will work OK. With parity simms installed you get no message.

I think that you may have different speeds of simms. Check for the speed on
each set. Look for the last digits on one of the rows of numbers (either a
07,08,10,12,15 or a 70,80,100,120,150) this would sort of indicate
the speed in nanoseconds. The main idea is to have all the simms the same
speed (ie: not 70 or 80 together/mixed).

As for memory limits on a IIci, we have four in our shop and two have 32
MB. You don't need Mode32 on a IIci and you do need to make sure that
32-bit addressing is turned on. Hope this helps.


Subject: Re: Ethernet for si
Sent: 3/5/97 9:51 PM
Received: 3/6/97 6:28 PM
From: Clark Martin
To: cmpost,

Subject: Ethernet for si
Sent: 3/5/97 2:08 AM
Received: 3/5/97 6:36 PM
From: Sisamon, Luis Javier
To: '',

I have a Mac si with a Nubus adaptor and a Nubus video card.
I would like to add Ethernet to my machine retaining my video, I have
seen an add for an SCSI based Etthernet and for a specific si/SE30
Ethernet card.

If you get the IIsi / SE30 Ethernet card (at least the one from Asante) you
can plug it into the IIsi's PDS slot and then plug a PDS card into it. So
if you got a IIsi / SE30 PDS video card and this type of Ethernet card you
could use them both.

SCSI Ethernet isn't as fast as a PDS or NuBus Ethernet card.

I would like to hear from epople using any of them.
Thanks in advance
Luis Sisamon

Subject: Info
Sent: 3/6/97 11:10 PM
Received: 3/8/97 6:16 PM
From: ZOZTek

Here is some information that may help some users. Galaxy Hardware at
800-366-2234 makes a software product called "Gemstart Universal" which
enables all accelerators for the classic Macs. Very handy, it often improves
performance over the original software. I have seen some postings where
people have modems that came with Performas and they would like to use them
with other Macs. Those modems did not have a separate power supply, they drew
current from the computer through one of the pins on the DIN connector. A
company called Redman Cable can make a cable work-around for these modems as
well as touting that they can make any cable for any situations.

Subject: Re:Fans--Cooling Old 128k & 512 Macs
Sent: 3/7/97 2:22 AM
Received: 3/8/97 6:16 PM
From: JPurtle

So this is the way it was told us as we read in the magazines. Steve Jobs
hated fans so the 128 k did not have one, ditto, 512, 512e and so on.
MacFanny was one of the early fan add ons. However one of the most unusual
solutions was MacChimmney. It was card board hat placed on the Mac which
created a draft. It was quite and evidently lowered the internal temperature
enough to prevent premature failure because of heat build up. Another fan was
a vibrator placed inside the Mac and the ossicollation of the little blade
created some air movement and hence cooling.

Subject: Re: Mac II vi
Sent: 3/7/97 12:03 PM
Received: 3/8/97 6:16 PM
From: Dirk von Seggern
To: cmpost,

Willem Koster wrote at 05.03.1997 19:05 Uhr -0500 in "Classic Macs Digest 3.4"

I got a II vi from work.
I have a fact sheet with all kinds of info on it (like it's a 16 Mhz
68030, has 80 ns RAM, not supported by system 6.*, etc).

The IIvi produced between 10/92 and 2/93 has a 16 MHz 68030, coprocessor
optional, 4 Mb RAM soldered on the motherboard, expandable (max. 68 MB)
with 4 sockets (upgrade all equal) for 30 pins 80 ns SIMMs (512 kb, 1, 2,
4, 8 or 16 MB), 3 NuBus slots, 1 PDS slot, 512 KB VRAM (expandable to 1
MB), max video support 640*480 in 8 bit (16 bit), min. System is 7.1, 7.6
should also work.


Subject: Web Browser for System 6
Sent: 3/7/97 5:34 PM
Received: 3/8/97 6:16 PM
From: Matti Haveri
To: Classic Macs,


Does anyone out there know of a browser that will work with system
6.0.7? I really hate to run system 7 just to browser the web. I do not
require, or even really want, a browser that displays graphics, as I
am in B&W. Even better would be where I can download such a browser,
preferably in ftp, but anything, even buying the browser would be

From the 68000-mac-faq <>:

MacWWW 1.03 (Samba) works on 68000 macs (at least on System 6.0.5 - it
crashes on System 7.0.1*). It opens fine, loads the startup page fine
(doesn't know how to read files from disk, text-only, no ISO 8859-1
translation, opens a new window for each link). Do not close any
windows as this crashes the mac; also quitting MacWWW seems to cause a
crash. The only real advantage it has over Lynx is that the links can
be mouse-clicked.


Matti Haveri

Subject: IIvi
Sent: 3/8/97 2:56 AM
Received: 3/8/97 6:16 PM
From: George Crane

What's the history of the machine (why do I see it in so little
lists, is it a limited edition, is something wrong with it, ...)

The IIvi was apparently only sold here in Japan.

Subject: Re: SyQuest??
Sent: 3/8/97 12:20 PM
Received: 3/8/97 6:16 PM
From: Christopher Adams


does anyone know if you can use a SyQuest SyDos 44 MB drive on a Mac?

I've used a 44 meg SyQuest on my SE for several years, though it's not 'SyDos'.

It has a SCSI interface, but will I need any drivers
or anything to get it to work?

The patched version of Apple HD SC Setup successfully formatted a SyQuest
disk for me. The only slight snag is that when you eject the disk you get
an alert asking if you really want to unmount it - the prog thinks you're
trying to unmount a hard drive since it never expected to be used on
removables. You can get Apple HD SC Setup, a patcher program for it and
other info at:

Also look out at this site for a link to an old version of APS formatting
software, which may also be useful to you.

B Soluski

You may be able to connect it and use the disks without changes
as the driver will load from the syquest

A disk may need to be in the drive at start-up for this to work.

Chris Adams.

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