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Blue Screen
Re: Computer Renaissance et al ...
More Classic Mac shareware on my page
Re: SE Ether Cards?
Thanks everyone! :)
System 7.1.1 and 7.1.2 morning.
More SE/30 Lore
accelerator problems
MacPlus vs Zip drive

Subject: LW PLUS Toner
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 15:12:11 +0900
From: George Crane

Tripp asked:

I have a Laserwriter Plus. Someone gave me an old toner cartridge -
brand new from Apple. It has an expiration date on it of July 1992. I
didn't think toner expired. Is it ok to use? What trouble might I encounter?

You should have no trouble, assuming it has been sealed up. The toner may
have hardened up a bit and the drum cleaning blade may have hardened up
too, but the worst thing that would happen is that you would have some
print defects like a continuous line running vertically down the page. It
wouldn't hurt the printer any. You should definitely give it a good
shaking before you pull the seal. If it doesn't print well, just trade in
the old core for a recycled cartridge, that type is pretty cheap. Also, be
sure to replace the old felt fuser wand with the one in the box with the
cartridge. Instructions should be included. BTW, if the printer has a lot
of mileage on it, you may have other troubles too numerous to list here.


Subject: RE:Recommendations...?
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 97 03:17:23 -0500
From: "L.F."
To: <>

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:07:02 -0500
To: <>
From: Bill and Josephine Bair
Subject: Recommendations...?

Hi- I have just recently decided to invest a little more money in my IIfx
and get some more RAM. Can anyone recommend a good establishment that they
have done business with that sells RAM ( I will even buy used if it helps
me stretch the amount of ram that I can get). My funds are somewhat
limited, but I can't stand the constant crashes or hangs that happen
because I don't have enough physical ram.


Thanks a lot,
Bill Bair

I usually buy my SIMMS at two different places they both sell new,
lifetime warranty SIMMS..the prices are good, some of the best around
shipping is fast and they have a good Email (for the lazy ones)tech
check out my web site for more memory dealers at :


Subject: Blue Screen
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 12:49:36 +0200
From: Jeff Blanton

Greetings from South Africa,

As a Color Classic user I was curious about the Blue screen so when no one
replied I sent out the problem to another Mac list and this is what they
came up with I hope it helps:

I think I've heard about this before. Seems like it had something to do
with the cabling. The cabling is loose, so the red/green is not getting
through very well. Make sure everything inside is tight.

Scotte Meredith

It may be your cable.

I'm kinda guessing here, but the all-in-one Macs like the Classic, Classic
II, and Color Classic occasionally have problems with the connectors. It
could be that the video plug has a gimp connection somewhere. If you can't
spot one (all it takes is a hairline fracture in the solder joint), and
nobody else has any better solution, the only way I know to fix it is to
remove the circuit board in question and re-melt all of the solder joints
on the connector pins. If you are uncomfortable doing this, by all means
get a technician (preferably Apple certified) to do it.

So there you have it, loose wire. One sure fire test is when the screen
turns blue, thump the side of the CC and if it comes right you probably do
have a case of bad connections.

Jeff Blanton

Subject: Re: Computer Renaissance et al ...
From: sdropkin
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 97 05:38:19 -0600
To: "Classic Posts" <>

I have bought many things in the past year at my local Computer Renaissance
store and have been satisfied with those purchases, but I would be
extremely reluctant to buy from them in the future. Why? Because--their
prices have *skyrocketed*!

Whatever the market will bear, I suppose ... CR is a franchise and I have
found the quality of the franchise highly variable. The one in my city is
pretty much a waste of real estate for both Mac _and_ IBM folks, while
the one a couple of towns over is decent (same size store). They also
seem to reflect the neighborhoods to some extent (the "decent" one and
one closer to Minneapolis do much more Mac business so they have more on
hand). If you have the luxury of being able to shop at more than one, I'd
suggest doing so -- you may be pleasantly surprised.


Subject: More Classic Mac shareware on my page
From: arena
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 05:42:54 -0600 (CST)


I've added a lot more shareware for classic Macs on my Classic Mac
Shareware page


(if that doesn't work, it may be Classic.html) sorry, I don't have MacWeb
installed on my friend's Classic (what I'm typing this on).

Stuff like

Windowshade for system 6 users
Ram Disc for system 6
Utilities for system 6
Cursor animators

and tons more.


Subject: Re: SE Ether Cards?
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 04:01:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat Sitton
To: Classic Posts <>

Universities have been using a lot of SEs for student computer labs and
general officework. Many of these were networked with ethernet. If you
can find a local university that does surplus property sales, there's a
good chance, that, in addition to SEs, they'll also have boxes of
assorted ethernet cards for sale at lower prices than dealers.

good hunting,

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 23:08:14 +0900
From: George Crane

In terms of modems, I read out of copy of "MacAddict" that some of the
older Macs (like the Mac II) cannot run a modem speed passed 9600 Baud.

Umm, I'm running 19.2k on my Mac II. What am I doing wrong? ;-)

And I'm running a 33k on mine.


Subject: Thanks everyone! :)
From: "Giles"
To: <>
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 10:35:56 -0500

I know this is cheating, but I got a LOT of responses to my plea for help
with getting advice on getting a Mac on the 'net... and I just wanted to
thank everyone for all their help, advice, lists, URLs, and so on. :) I
ordered a SE/30 8/160 from Timco that's supposed to arrive next
Wednesday... so you may not hear me whining again until then!

Thanks again everyone...


Subject: System 7.1.1 and 7.1.2 morning.
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 11:27:20 -0500
From: Jim Bradley

good morning,

I recently acquired a Macintosh IIx and decided to set it up with System
7.1 and compatible applications. Predictably, the performance has been
pretty good. Unfortunately, my recollection of 7.1 and associated
applications is a little sketchy.

While I've located Update 3.0, I have run into a few applications that
require 7.1.1 or 7.1.2. I can't find much reference to either. I think
7.1.2 was the PowerMac version but can't recall 7.1.1 at all.

Can anyone remind me what the heck these two were or point me to the updaters?



Jim Bradley

Subject: More SE/30 Lore
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 13:07:13 -0800
From: Waller_Mark
To: Classic Mac Digest <>

I have read somewhere the 'in-house' name for the SE/30 prior to its
release was 'Green Jade.' Kind of exotic isin't it. Makes me love mine even
more, but don't tell my 5215 I said this.

Mark Waller

Subject: accelerator problems
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 03:58:07 -0300
From: Domingo Juan Robaina


I've got a Plus with 4meg RAM that works very fine in the net. Currently
uses System 7.1, Eudora 1.5.5, Fetch 3.0.1, MacWeb 1.1.1E, MacTcp 2.0.6 and
PPP 2.1.1SD. It has a SupraExpress 144Plus attached.

The pain begins when I try to attach an old accelerator board Systech
(think the company is defunc) with a 68030 at 25MHz. This is not a big
thing, but is better than a 68000 at 8 MHz !

The thing comes with an extension (NoviInit 5.43) and a control panel.

The fact is that now:

a) The machine hangs when I close a connection with PPP. It says
"finder: illegal instruction" (tried several versions).
b) Using Eudora, everything goes fine until it tries to display
the message "You have new mail". The message never appears, and
the machine hangs (again the illegal instruction).
c) MacWeb sometimes hangs (not the known bug saving prefs), but
couldn't figure out when.

Any ideas or suggestions (except throwing away the board) will be
greatly appreciated.

Domingo Robaina
Montevideo, Uruguay

Subject: MacPlus vs Zip drive
From: NeonGooch
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 03:42:18 -0500 (EST)

I understand that the Plus is not generally able to boot from a Zip drive. I
was wondering, however, if it is possible to do just that. My idea would be
to remove the zip tools disks without installing any of its software and
installing a blank disk. Then to restart with that blank disk in, and format
with silverlining software. I understand it would kill the removable benefits
but would get me an inexpensive and reliable (new) external hard drive. It
would also travel well to another Mac in the future. If this won't work is
there another way? BTW, I run system 6.0.7, currently on a 50meg HD after the
80meg gave up the ghost (shake to start).

Thanx - NeonGooch

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