Table of Contents for this issue:
Noisy LC II
MacWrite II / MacDrawII?
"Net Install" Startup Disk for 7.5.1
Re: 800k Disks: The Call of Desperation
Also Re: 800K Disks: The Call of Desperation
More Re: 800K Disks: The Call of Desperation
Magically...From IBM to Mac 800K Disks
800K Disks: Finding and Faking Them
My Freak of an SE?
Identifying the 512K/Ke
Re: Upgrading 7.1 to 7.6
Getting a Network Access Disk (7.5.1)
When is a Modem a Modem?
Re: Two Printer Problems
Also Re: Two Printer Problems
Re: Making Web Pages Using Classic Macs: Pt.1
IIci 3.5" Disk Drive?
Get that Compact Mac on the Web!

[Moderator's Note: The following is an installment of articles that Mr. Manuel Mejia has
been nice enough to create concerning web page creation on Classic Macs.
This feature will appear consecutively in each Digest from now until the end
of the series.]

Creating Web Pages using Classic Macs Pt 2

I had a similar problem with my LCII, a noise like a jet building up
to take-off, although it was not that loud. The diagnossis was a
faulty sound chip which necessitated a new motherboard ...just as well
it was still under guarantee :-)

Cheers,
Keith

My kids always seem to be on my PowerPC at home when I need it. My
Colour Classic sits on my desk at work next to the Compaq PC which my
employers provided to show the inate superiority of the Mac. So, I
decided to setup my trusty old LCII again so that I can do some work
at home... B & W screen, ideal for jsut getting on with it. Having
already stripped it of the extra memory (down to the original 4Mb) and
accelerator card (a Transwarp at 40Hz that really makes the Colour
Classic zip along) I now find it too slow with System 7. So I have
installed 6.0.8L and it is fine... brings back sweet memories.

The only problem is my word-processing and drawing software packages
are all System 7 only. So for practical and nostalgia reasons I would
like to use MacWrite II and MacDraw II (which I broke my teeth in the
mac labs at university). Does anyone have the disks of these programs
for sale (preferably but not absolutely UK English versions)? No
manuals needed... hey, I am a Mac user! I would ideally like the
versions which use XTND filters.

Cheers to all the members of this great group,

Keith

Greetings all:

I have a Quadra 630 running system 7.5.1 and want to make a startup
disk so I can run Nortons' Speed Disk. Unfortunately my system disks have
flown the coop and when Norton's disk builder asks for Disk Tools I'm
sunk. Any suggestions?

Joe Sukle

When Apple first released the 7.5 updates, they made available an
obscurely titled start-up disk, called the net-install something. The
idea was you booted off this floppy then went into the network server
for the system installer. It may still be available. Imagine that. A
start-up disk that allows network connections. Nice. And it will start
up anything!

[Please see next post!]

eric

April 25, 1997

Joe Sukle in C'Macs 970412 wants to create a Speed Disk
floppy but doesn't have a Disk Tools Disk. Try this:

Get a copy of Apple's Network Access Disk at

ftp://mirror.apple.com/mirrors/Apple_SW_Updates/US/Macintosh/Utilities/Network_Access_Disk_7.5.sea.hqx

You'll end up with a disk image. Using Disk Copy or ShrinkWrap, copy the NAD
System (_just_ the System file) and Speed Disk 3.2.1 or earlier on the
destination floppy. These two files should be at root level (not inside a
folder) and rename Speed Disk "Finder" with no quotes.

Caveat: my Quadra 800 is down so I can't test it myself. This disk will be
pretty full but _should_ have room enough to create a prefs file.

FDrake3335

Hi

All the Mail Order carry them. You need disks with DD/DS designation. I
also have found them in computer stores when I'm in the States.

Hope this helps

Midge

At 11:05 PM -0700 on 4/24/97, Classic Posts wrote:

From: ribcage
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:15:01 -0600
To: Classic Macs Digest
Subject: 800k Disks: The Call of Desperation?

Does anyone know where I can order some 800k disks for my MacPlus?

ribcage

You can try the various Mac mail order places; although they don't advertise
the fact, they usually have older Mac stuff available (disks, sometimes old
sw,and MacOS 7.1 on 1.4 MB disks). It's toll free in US (possibly all of
North America) so why not?

Also, check local office supply places (Office Depot, etc.); that's where I
get mine (I stocked up on some Sony disks on clearance - and they are still
there after about a year).

MicroCenter here in Dallas still carries them, I believe from a couple
different vendors. Not sure about the other only-marginally-friendly Mac
stores.

Regards,
Robert Eye

From: ribcage
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:15:01 -0600
To: Classic Macs Digest
Subject: 800k Disks: The Call of Desperation?

Does anyone know where I can order some 800k disks for my MacPlus?

ribcage

Subject: 800k Disks: The Call of Desperation?

Does anyone know where I can order some 800k disks for my MacPlus?

I cannot find Mac 800k disks either, but can find DOS 720k (double density or
DD) disks. Just use them. When you insert them you will get a message that
they are unreadable, do you want to format them. You do. The disks are the
same except the formating. I advise that you use only disks from a reputable
manufacturer, I use Maxell floppies myself that I get at Fred Meyer (local
sell everything store).

NeonGooch

From: ribcage
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:15:01 -0600
To: Classic Macs Digest
Subject: 800k Disks: The Call of Desperation?

Does anyone know where I can order some 800k disks for my MacPlus?

ribcage

I get mine at WalMart. They are 720k IBM discs. Just pop em in and reformat
them as Mac discs and they magically become 800k discs.

JAG

A weird little oasis on the web. Download my Subgenius music, Mac
shareware, other assorted waste of bandwidth.
Http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/jagshouseone.html

ribcage wrote:
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:15:01 -0600
To: Classic Macs Digest
Subject: 800k Disks: The Call of Desperation?

Does anyone know where I can order some 800k disks for my MacPlus?

I bought some last Fall from MacConnection. They are not listed in the
catalog, but they had them for sale. The bad news: they cost about 3 times
as much as high density disks! Actually, high density disks are free
lately; it seems like every time I open the Sunday paper, one of the big
chains has a sale/rebate deal where you end up paying nothing for floppies.
How does this help Classic Macs owners? You can usually trick the Mac into
thinking it sees an 800K (or 400K for that matter) floppy by putting tape
over its *extra* hole. White paper labels worked best for me for covering
the hole. On rare occasions the Mac will not like this workaround, but it
usually works just fine, and it's almost free.

Jon Gaines

Dear all,

I recently got hold of a very sweet, but strangely twisted,
4-meg SE with a maths co-processor/ hardware upgrade called
'Prodigy' by Levco.

Anyone got any information about it? As I say, I think it's
a maths co-processor which makes my SE fly. I've run all
these processor speed tests, which put it on a par with a
IIci in many functions.

It gives my SE a 68020 processor (really!), and my
smilely-macintosh-start-up-face fangs, which is kinda cute.

The internal floopy drive of my little mac is gone, but I've
been given an external FDHD floppy drive. This is
high-density, but SE's can only read low-density. I know you
can change the simms to read high-density floppies, but that
sounds a bit tricky and pricey (I'm only a poor student).
I've read that there is a software extension which allows
you to read high-density floppies from an external HD+
drive, and wondered if anyone had any experience with this.

Finally, I just like to plug this great freeware game I
found on a recent CD called 'Slabbers'. It's an off take of
a comtemporary shoot-em-up called 'Blood Bath', but instead
of shooting the psychotic drug-barons, you're going after
these crazed toys. It's in B/W (obviously), and takes up
about 1-meg of memory. I've played it on the new PPC's as
well, which is a genuine tribute to the programmers
abilities and the downward (or should I say "upward")
compatabilty of Macintosh. Try it. Love it.

Cheers,
Tobez!

If it has an 800K drive, it is now a Ke. As I understand it, the only
difference between a 128 and 512 is the amount of memory, and the only
difference in the Ke is the new drive and the new 128K ROM's required to
address the new drive. The ROM chips are plugged in to sockets.
I guess if you knew the manufacture date of the machine, that could
provide a clue. The Fat Mac 512 was introduced Sept. 10, 1984, and the
512Ke was introduced in April, 1986 (according to the "Secrets" book). So
how do you pin down the date of manufacture? The best clue I know of,
assuming there is no label on the machine itself to proclaim its birthday,
is the "date code" stamped on almost every IC in the machine. The date
code is typically a 4-digit number; the first 2 digits indicate the year,
and the second 2 digits indicate the week of manufacture. For example, I
have an 800K 512 in which most of the IC's are stamped 8516, which means
that they were produced in the 16th week of 1985 and probably made it
through the manufacturing channel within a month or two. My ROM's do not
have this standard date code, but they do say "Copyright Apple Computer
1984-86", or something like that. From this I conclude that the machine
started life as a 512 in mid-1985 (it says 512 on the back of the case)
and was upgraded to a 512Ke in 1986 or later.
Happy investigating! Jon

Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:36:07 +0100
To:rebecca
From:Jon Gaines
Subject:512K/Ke

What I was wondering was: is this really a 512K, or has it been upgraded to
a 512Ke? How can I tell?
Rowland.

MacOS 7.6 is a REFERENCE RELEASE; there is no separate "upgrade" version of
7.6. The only difference between the "full" version and the "upgrade" version
is how much you pay for it.

If you can prove ownership of 7.5.x, then 7.6 is $69.95; if not, then 7.6 is
$99.95 (all $ are US). MacOS 7.6 will do a complete install over any version
of system 7, and even provides an explicit option within the Installer for
doing a clean install (instead of command-shift-k like 7.5 required). I
believe you need to do a disk re-format and clean install if you are currently
running 6.0.x).

The IIci can run 7.6, as it is 32 bit clean and has a 68030 CPU. 7.6 will
install straight over MacOS 7.1; no need to install 7.5.x first. Read the
instructions that come with 7.6 and follow them, and also check on

http://macfixit.pair.com/ (Ted Landau's MacFixIt site)

for other info on installing 7.6/7.6.1.

Regards,
Robert Eye

Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 18:43:13 +0100
From: Nuzum, Alan
To: Classic Posts
Subject: Upgrading 7.1 to 7.6

Hello fellow mac'sters

I have a iici with system 7.1. I want to upgrade it to 7.6. My
question is, if I buy 7.6 will it be able to upgrade 7.1, or do I have
to buy 7.5, and then buy 7.6?

Thanks for your answers:
Alan Nuzum

[MODERATOR'S NOTE: Alan: If your IIci is 32-bit clean, has 8MB of RAM
(minimum--16's better), and at least a 68030, then you can upgrade it to 7.6
by buying the _full_version_ of 7.6. The "upgrade" version, which installs
on top of, rather than completely, will most probably only work on 7.5
machines.]

When is a modem a modem?.....

Are modems compatible in either the IBM and/or Apple realms?

That is, Can an external 28.8 Hayes Compatible modem from the netherworld of
ibm be used in a MacIntosh environment.

Thanks!!!
N3UMM

From: thomasvchipley
Date: 23 Apr 97 13:18:32 (+0000)
Subject: Two Printer Problems?
To: classic-post

I have two problems with which I need some help. I checked the archives and
could not find similar problems. My father-in-law has an old Mac LC II with 4
meg of memory connected to an HP DeskWriter C. Up until last week this setup
worked fine. He previously had System 7.1 installed and installed 7.5.1 last
week. From that point forward he has been unable to print properly. Here are
some of the symptom of his problems:

1. On startup, if the HP is on, the printer prints a page with junk on it.
Spurious characters in reverse printing come out on the top and bottom of the
page.

This sounds like you have AppleTalk turned on in chooser.

2. When he requests a print, the LC goes about its business, preparing, then
spooling, then comes back with a message indicating the printer is not
responding and make sure it is connected - ok to continue or cancel. Sometimes
this message is replaced by an unexpected error #-97 message, sometimes not.
This type of problem did not occur until he moved to 7.5.1. Some times it comes
back and discretely indicates the serial port is in use. We are both rather
confused.

If AppleTalk is on you will not be able to print. If you turn it off and
still cannot print, check the HP web site for a more recent printer driver.

He has rebuilt the desktop, reinstalled 7.5.1 and flipped the printer cable. He
would like to blow away 7.5.1 and reinstall 7.1 but is not sure how to perform
this action. My suspicion is he has a cable that has gone bad or a port problem
as I had a similar problem with an old 386 and a LaserWriter on my job. My
father-in-law is so frustrated he is seriously considering purchasing a Wintel
machine. Considering that I am a DOS/Wintel head who is now moving to the Mac
platform this pains me. Any other possibilities (aside from the cable) or
suggestions?

My other problem relates to an old SE I picked up last year and basically
turned over to my 4 year old. It was on a LAN at my work and had access to
multiple printers. Occassionally he requests a print from MacPaint (or other
programs) and, as I do not have a printer, any print request causes the OS to
crash and then forces a restart. How can I get rid of the printers in the
chooser or teach the Mac to gracefully exit the program? I have checked with
AppleBoy and their solution didn't work (go to Chooser, select the offending
printer, since the printer doesn't exist it will shut off the connnection and
indicate no printer attached...nope didn't do the trick). I am running 6.0.8 on
the SE with 1 meg of memory.

Check out Print2Pict. It lets you print to a PICT file which could be
moved via floppy to another Mac and printed there. In any event it does
work on an SE but I don't know about System 6.0.8

Please forgive any ignorance of the Mac or any obvious solutions in the above
help request. As I indicated, my background is DOS and Windows and I once
though the Mac was a toy with those silly little icons. Let's just say my eyes
were opened by the Wintel hype over Windows 95 and how Mac-like it wanted to
be. The new PowerMac I have on order shows which operating system I now feel is
the best for my money.

Clark Martin
Redwood City, CA, USA

I only have the answer to this one:

My other problem relates to an old SE I picked up last year and basically
turned over to my 4 year old. It was on a LAN at my work and had access to
multiple printers. Occassionally he requests a print from MacPaint (or other
programs) and, as I do not have a printer, any print request causes the OS to
crash and then forces a restart. How can I get rid of the printers in the
chooser or teach the Mac to gracefully exit the program? I have checked with
AppleBoy and their solution didn't work (go to Chooser, select the offending
printer, since the printer doesn't exist it will shut off the connnection and
indicate no printer attached...nope didn't do the trick). I am running 6.0.8
on the SE with 1 meg of memory.

The Mac systems, even system 6, are really quite simple. All you have to do
is toss the chooser documents in the system folder for the offending printers
into the trash. Then restart. Now no printers will be in the chooser and you
should only get a message to that effect. System 6 was much simpler (and less
ram hungry) but can be disagreeable when it can't find what its looking for.
The instructions you got were for system 7.

NeonGooch - on a Plus running system 6.0.7

Internet Explorer can be run on any computer using a 68020 processor.
People using a 68030 machine can also use Netscape Navigator. According to
the packaging for Netscape's current version (3.0), it does not work with
68020 machines. I have also not seen a copy of the older 2.0 available for
use. If someone see a copy that can be downloaded for free or as shareware,
I would like to know about it.

Netscape Navigator 2 (actually 2.02) is easy to get. All you have to do is
visit ftp2.netscape.com. You can replace the 2 with any number from 3 to 8
as well.

NeonGooch

My 3.5" disk drive on my Mac IIci is not accepting floppies. Can I buy an
external drive that will read 1.4 MB floppies?

Thanks.
Carol

Hello All:

For those of you who want to get on the web with a browser on a Plus, SE
or SE/30, Portable or other 68000 series Mac, here's the URL for the
MacWeb browser:

Http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/macweb.hqx

It will work with Macs with 4 megs minimum.

Here's the URL for an instruction manual on how to do it:

Http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/compactmac.hqx

For TONS of shareware for older Macs, go to:

http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/classic.html

and for my shareware page, go to:

http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/Shareware.html

Enjoy!
JAG

A weird little oasis on the web. Download my Subgenius music, Mac
shareware, other assorted waste of bandwidth.
Http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/jagshouseone.html

Classic Mac Web Page Graphics

The main sales point that made the World Wide Web the Internet tool of
choice was its ability to deal with images. The two main formats that are
used to encode images on web pages are GIFs and JPEGs (sometimes referred
to as JPGs). GIFs were the first image format that was pioneered by
Compuserve back in the late 1980s. All graphic based browsers can view
GIFs. It is for that reason why I have a preference for GIFs.

JPEG images came out after GIFs. It was designed to give the viewer better
details of the image than GIFs. For example, if one wanted to see a Van
Gogh painting on the World Wide Web, JPEG images render the image in such
detail that one can pick out the brush strokes. Such detail tends to get
lost in GIF images.

The drawback to JPEG is the fact that not all browsers
can view a JPEG image. MacWeb 1.1.1e probably would not run a JPEG image
because the browser was created before JPEGs became available. Other
problems with JPEGs include the amount of memory a given image will occupy
vs. a GIF and the inability to make background "wallpaper" with it. The
newer browsers like Netscape 3.0 and Internet Explorer 3.0 overcome some
the limiteations of JPEGs but they will not run on Macs with 68020
processors. There may also be a 32 bit clean problem with the newer
web browsers.

To add GIF images onto a web page, one will need a GIF reader program. The
best one that I have seen and read about is GIF Converter by Kevin
Mitchell. Version 2.2.1 runs on any classic mac (including the 68000
processor ones). GIF Converter is shareware and can be found at the local
MUG or through a shareware CD. To use GIF Converter, first create an
image using any mac painting/drawing program (Mac Paint, Super Paint,
Ultra Paint, Mac Draw, etc.). Place the image on the clipboard. Then open
GIF Converter, select a NEW window, then paste the image onto the window.
Save that image as a GIF file and that is it--a GIF image. When you name
the file, be sure to use the following format:

"xxxxxx.gif"

The "xxxxxx" stand for a 6 character name while the ".gif" defines the
file. This nomenclature is common in the MS-DOS world and is the standard
for naming files on web pages. You MUST follow this script.

Unlike text based files (the ones that are "xxxxxx.htm") GIFs do not have
to be converted for windows machine to use them because the images are
standard for both platforms.

For those looking for GIF Converter, there is a 2.3 version going around
that replaced the 2.2 version. I have not notoced much a of difference
between the 2 programs. They both crop out images the same.

In part 3, I will discuss basic web page programming on classic macs.

Manuel Mejia, Jr.
Tampa, FLA.