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Table of Contents for this issue:
Tricking a 1.4 Floppy to be 800K
CQD on 68000 CPU's
Re: Upgrading LC Video
Old Mac System Folders
System Software for Lisa?
Help with AE Transwarp 030 Accelerator?
7.6: Upgrade and Full Versions
Some "where to get" answers...
Apple System Downloads - URLs
Vintage Macs and Mac Book!
Re: Emailer 1.0/1.1
Mass Micro Quick Image 24--What Is It?
Re: Mac II Info
Think Tank?
Older Shareware for the SE/30
Classic Mac Webpage Online Resources-part duex

Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 01:44:26 -0500
From: Jag
To: Classic Posts
Subject: Tricking a 1.4 Floppy to be 800K

From: ribcage
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:15:01 -0600
To: Classic Posts
Subject: 800k Disks: The Call of Desperation?

Does anyone know where I can order some 800k disks for my MacPlus?


If you need a newer Mac to think a 1.4 meg disk is really an 800k disk,
just take some tape and cover the hole in the disk which tells the disk
drive on newer Macs that the disk is a 1.4 meg disk. Not the hole with the
sliding tab, the "other" hole :)


This is NOT a good idea unless it's an emergency and you HAVE to get
data over to an 800k drive. DO NOT think that the data will be stable
(it won't). Sometimes it works great for months, sometimes the data is
lost. DON'T TRUST it.


Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 00:06:16 -0800
To: Classic Posts
From: IGHA/HorseAid Volunteer
Subject: CQD on 68000 CPU's

Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 07:35:15 -0400
To: Classic Posts
From: Erick Dietrich
Subject: CQD on 68000 Macs?

When I purchased my Mac Portable (I call it the Hernia) I seem to rememeber
something about it having CQD in ROM. Am I in err?



The confusion may come from the CQD extension on the install disks.

IGHA/HorseAid Volunteer

Subject: Re: Upgrading LC Video
Date: Thu, 1 May 97 15:01:11 +0300
From: Olafs Zakis
To: Classic Posts

Subject: Upgrading LC Video?
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 18:14:03 +0900
From: Benjamin Guansing
To: Classic Posts

Exactly how do I upgrade the VRAM on an LC? At the moment my friend is
using a 17 inch monitor with it and can only display 16 colors. Can we
get it up to 256 colors on the 17 inch monitor?


Hi there,

Macintosh LC built-in monitor support is limited to 14 inch size.
LC cannot display anything on 16-17 inch monitor (at proper resolution
-- 832x624) without additional video card. So check your question...
something is wrong with it.

BTW, LC comes with 256KB of video RAM preinstalled in one VRAM socket.
To get 512KB, you must replace 256KB VRAM SIMM with 512KB.

Olafs Zakis

Subject: Old Mac System Folders
Date: Thu, 1 May 97 07:58:57 -0500
From: Jeffrey Bipes
To: Classic Posts

Also, I would like to know.. every day or so I see someone saying "you can
download older versions of System from Apple" but I have searched the site
far and wide, done a Yahoo search, etc and I cannot find for my life a
downloadable version of System 6 or 7. Can someone email me a specific
(complete) URL of a page/FTP site and directory where I can get the
software? Email to jratch

GO here:

I have System 3.2 to 7.0.1 online

Jeffrey D. Bipes

Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:02:06 -0500 (CDT)
From: Robert S Bedeaux
To: Classic Posts
Subject: System Software for Lisa

Hi there.

I have a Mac XL which I am trying to get running as a Lisa again. It has
had none of the mods done (drive upgrade/pixel alteration etc), so I know
this will work. The problem though, is I cannont find the Lisa Workshop
or Office system anywhere. If anyone knows of where I can find disk
images of either of these that would be great.

Thanks much

p.s I know the Lisa stamps individual serial numbers after softs have
been run, but I have a serial number stripper to get rid of this. Just
no software

Date: Thu, 1 May 97 12:03:28 CDT
From: F.Mushkin
To: Classic Posts
Subject: Help with AE Transwarp 030 Accelerator?

Hi! I've had an Applied Engineering Transwarp 030/25mhz humming along in
my SE for a couple of years now. The board had a Radius Magicbus connector
on it for Radius video cards, but the card seems to sit too low beneath the
SE's chassis to make connection with my Radius FPD display card above the
cutout. I'd like to have a full page display for this SE and retain the
Transwarp's 030 with virtual memory (which rules out replacing it with
the Radius 020 accelerator).

If you've had any experience with mating Radius display cards with the
Transwarp accelerator, please contact me:

Frank Mushkin

Subject: 7.6: Upgrade and Full Versions
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 15:22:32 -0500
To: Classic Posts
From: Mike Rehbein

Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:49:11 -0500
To: Classic Posts
From: Mike Rehbein
Subject: Upgrade vs Full versions of 7.6

I purchased the full version. A friend purchased the upgrade.
Apparently the CD-ROM is the same. He can do a full install. The
packaging was different. I got a manual, the Internet Connection Kit
CD-ROM and the neato looking box. Scott paid $69, I paid $129 :(

IIci's are 030's, are 32 bit clean.


[MODERATOR'S NOTE: True, but the person who wrote the original post said
he had 7.1. The 7.6 Upgrade requires proof of ownership (Xeroxed owner's
manual title sheet; Xeroxed label of first install disk) of System 7.5 or
whatever in order for you to get the upgrade price (at least in _my_
catalogs). If you have System 7.1, you don't have any of these required
things, unless you do something rather underhanded. So the full price of
$129 would stand for him.]

Sorry, I must remember not to include extranious information when replying.

The question was concerning the upgrade version and full version as in so
far as would the upgrade version require that a previous version of system
software be installed on the HD for 7.6 to be installed over.

The point I was trying to make was that the CDROM is identical. If you
purchase the upgrade version you can do the same install from scratch that
you would expect to be able to perform using a full version.

Only the packaging and pricing differ. The CDROM is the same. SO, if
you are waffling between purchasing an upgrade version or full version, get
the upgrade version.

Why would someone waffle over that decision? Because an upgrade version
implies that to do an install from scratch that you would first have to
install a previous version, then the upgrade, making the install of 7.6
from scratch a laborious process. And the full version implies being able
to install 7.6.

So, I purchased the full version because I was not willing to go through
the double install when setting up a new drive or reformatted drive.

I don't like the terminology Apple used. Past practise has meant that an
upgrade would only work over existing versions. While full version meant
it was a stand alone version not needing to be installed over a previous

Of course, with system software there is the ability to simply install a
later version over an existing version and this ability should not be
confused with the full vs upgrade point.

So my reply is in reference to your Mod Note which incorrectly stated
that he needs the full version to install from scratch. As is stated

[MODERATOR'S NOTE: Alan: If your IIci is 32-bit clean, has 8MB of RAM
(minimum--16's better), and at least a 68030, then you can upgrade it to 7.6
by buying the _full_version_ of 7.6. The "upgrade" version, which installs
on top of, rather than completely, will most probably only work on 7.5

I should not have included the pricing, it seemed to have confused the issue.

[MODERATOR'S NOTE: I'm sorry I initially stated that the upgrade was any
different than the full install without checking my catalogs for
verification. I'll try in the future to make sure that the brain is fully
engaged before the fingers begin to fly.]



Mike Rehbein
Minnesota, USA

Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 15:44:07 -0800
To: Classic Posts
From: B.J. Major & Dennis J. Gorin)
Subject: Some "where to get" answers...

I've seen lots of posts on here recently, such as "where can I get 800K
disks," "where can I get a Mac Plus", "where can I get a keyboard and mouse
for the SE", etc. etc.

I'll give you one solution which I promise will NOT cost you much $$$$$ --
your local Goodwill and Value Village thrift stores. I found bunches and
bunches of 800K disks there. Some were blank and just needed to be
formatted, some were already Mac disks (!), some were former Amiga disks,
old IBM disks, etc.

I also found a Mac Plus with everything needed to run it at my local
Goodwill store this week. It was $15.99!!! Need an Imagewriter I or II
printer? You can pick one up almost anytime at either Value Village or
Goodwill for no more than $25.00 (most of the time they are $19.99). Do
not assume that the merchandise found in thrift stores is all junk or
broken. I promise that you will be pleasantly surprised at what you will
find there--for very little money.

I've been buying used Apple II hardware at Goodwill for quite some time
now, and they are just starting to get early Macintosh stuff in stock. Be
patient, and visit the store often. For every four times you go there and
find nothing, the fifth time will most likely bear fruit. At least, that's
been my experience!

Happy shopping....


Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 19:22:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim Ratchford
To: Classic Posts
Subject: Apple System Downloads - URLs

From: Jim Ratchford
To: Classic Posts
Subject: Starting to Use an SE.. Keyboard, Mouse, and OS
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:33:52 -0400

Also, I would like to know.. every day or so I see someone saying "you
can download older versions of System from Apple" but I have searched the
site far and wide, done a Yahoo search, etc and I cannot find for my life a
downloadable version of System 6 or 7. Can someone email me a specific
(complete) URL of a page/FTP site and directory where I can get the
software? Email to jratch

MAC operating systems. I found it one time, and downloaded the latest free
system, which was 7.0.1. Other older systems were also available. It was an
Apple source, and my memory (not too good) seems to indicate that I found it
by first going to the URL for MacUser or MacWorld. In any case, check through
the following URLs and you should come to a link that will get you to the
Apple old software page.

Classic Macs
The Classic Macs Archives are found at:

(and I know that the source you are looking for has been mentioned in the
past - at some time on Classic Macs)

MacDirectory Online

Old Mac Hardware and Software

obsolete Computer Museum

Everything Macintosh

Jim Ratchford

Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 18:46:45 -0400
To: Classic Posts
From: Nick Canterucci
Subject: Vintage Macs and Mac Book!

hello vintage mac users...thanks for all great email concerning my
recent cache of vintage macs....I was able to find homes for that
mac PLUS, SE,classic,and SE-30...I still have a near mint SE here
waiting to go to a new home....I might be getting 30 or so vintage
macs..i.e. SE,SE-30,colour classic, soon as my company moves further
into the WINTEL dog and pony show..our Computer head LOATHES macs
so much.....he'll gladly 'force' me to take them IF that
happens, I'll let everyone know...and then come and get 'em!

I recently found a second copy (used) of a most excellent book dealing
with vintage macs..models 128K to MAC SE..called MACINTOSH repair and
upgrade LARRY PINA, hayden books 1990..even comes with a
floppy 'diagnostic software for mac computers' this book is the
earlier..and perhaps better version of his later book on peachtree press
SE & Classic mac secrets...this one's a keeper..

I don't need it....first offer plus 3.00 fer mailing grabs it..(p.s. has
detailed LISA section as well)

thanks everyone...
keep the faith


Subject: Re: Emailer 1.0/1.1
Date: Sat, 3 May 97 00:37:04 -0400
From: hilal
To: Classic Posts

Subject: Oops--Emailer 1._0_; Mac II?
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 97 23:10:01 -0700
From: Nathan Marler
To: Classic Posts

Hello, Mac fans:

Well, I goofed. Claris Emailer 1.1 was not what I should have asked for.
In actuality, I need Emailer 1.0.

in your original post, you said you wanted claris emailer because you
have more than one internet account. emailer 1.0 can handle only _one_
account at a time. emailer 1.1 can handle multiple. 1.0 was called
emailer lite, and bundled with the apple internet connection kit. i don't
think it was ever a stand-alone commercial package. 1.0 was also
downloadable as a 30-day demo from claris.

[MODERATOR'S NOTE: Yes, I goofed this all up. Emailer 1.0, which
apparently came with the Apple Internet Connection Kit, is what works on my
SE (but shouldn't). 1.1 will not work, and since I can't find 1.0 anywhere
else, I tried the dual-settings file trick for Eudora and it works
wonderfully. I just keep aliases to each settings file on my desktop, and
I click on either one to use the Digest settings or my personal account. I
think I'll just forget Emailer altogether for the meantime. Thanks to all
who helped me through this period of extreme bumbling ;-) --Nathan Marler]


Subject: Mass Micro Quick Image 24--What Is It?
Date: Sat, 3 May 97 00:37:10 -0400
From: hilal
To: Classic Posts


i bought a used mac II, and found a nubus card in it that i can't figure
out. it is labled 'mass micro systems - quick image 24'. anyone has a
clue as to what it is? thanks for the help, you're a great bunch!


Subject: Re: Mac II Info
Date: Sat, 3 May 97 00:37:27 -0400
From: hilal
To: Classic Posts

Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 11:09:44 -0400
To: Classic Posts
From: John Ruschmeyer
Subject: Mac II Video and General Questions?


This weekend I picked up a used Mac II (no letters) at the Trenton Computer
Festival (4/0 with 6881 for $15, was I taken?)

no, $15 is less than what you would pay just for the 4mb of ram.

2) The system has 4MB RAM. Do I need special SIMMs or can I use regular
1x8, 30 pin, 8-chip ones?

you must use 'parity' chips. these are 30 pin, 9-chip ones.

4) Any other upgrades that I should check for?

i have a 160mb hard disk that i want to sell. it is an old apple 5.25"
160sc hard disk that originally came in a 'loaded' mac II. let me know if
you are interested, i am looking for $50, including the bracket.

good luck.

Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 13:42:17 +0200
To: Classic Posts
From: Stephan van Radecke
Subject: Think Tank?

Nearly 10 years ago there was an Mac program on market called 'Think Tank'.
A kind of brainstorm-supporting program.

I assume it is now out of market. Are there any copies to sell or any ideas
where to get this program?


Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 13:42:20 +0200
To: Classic Posts
From: Stephan van Radecke
Subject: Older Shareware for the SE/30?

Where to search for 'older' shareware? I think there must be tons of bytes
of shareware from the good old 9" time. To use without filling up the 40MB
hd of my SE30.


Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 15:49:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Manuel Mejia
To: Classic Posts
Subject: Classic Mac Webpage Online Resources-part duex

Here are some more online resources for web page design.

For various design issues: as the "Hyperterrorist" and Internet/Internet/World Wide Web/Page
Design and layout/
--This site has a web page design book in online form. site containing background textures site allows one to alter images that go
to web pages while he/she is online. It is sort of like an online version
of "Adobe Photoshop"

Happy Web page making.(-:

Manuel Mejia, Jr.
Tampa, FLA.

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