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Table of Contents for this issue:
Re: File Attachments with Pine
Looking for Accelerator Software?
Serial Port Settings?
System Software Distribution--It's Okay
MacWeb and GIFs
CD-ROM Auto-Mount Question?
Mac Plus on the Internet?
Using 1.44 Disks as 800K
Radius Full-Page Display?
Re: Intricacies of High-density Disks
Re: MacWeb 2.0 Problems
800K, Just Order Then in Bulk!
PowerBook 145 Floppy Disk Problem?
Please Help!
LCIII System Woes?
Re: Think Tank
Re: 1.4MB Disks Masquerading as 800K Disks
Needing Info on a 512K Machine?

Subject: Re: File Attachments with Pine
Date: Mon, 5 May 97 12:30:13 -0700
From: diegesis
To: Classic Posts

On 5/4/97 8:07 PM, Kamal Larsuel wrote:

I'm not sure how to retrieve an attachment without using fetch.

I use Z-term and Unix and Pine. I have access to fetch, but I have a low
density drive so it makes it difficult to copy stuff without lugging around my
external hard drive.

This is the method that I used for 2 years until my University got a
stable PPP server running:

1) in Pine, save the attachment to your main UN*X directory. This can be
accomplished by following the attachment instructions Pine puts at the
end of the text message.

2) in your UN*X shell, type sz
Then, type whatever you called your attachment, and press return. ZTerm
will then download it to whatever folder you selected as your download
folder in your ZTerm prefs.


Addendum: If you're feeling adventurous, ZTerm has a neat little feature
that is quite handy. If you type "ls" in your UN*X directory, you will,
of course get a complete listing of your files. Next comes the neat part.
If you command click on a file name on the screen, you will see
"U Z <filename>" appear at the command prompt. Of course, in UN*X this
returns an error.

Now for the tricky part:

Using ResEdit, open up the ZTerm Phonelist file you use to access your
account. Then, open up the STR# resource. You will see a str labeled
"default", an unlabeled str, and then a bunch with the titles you have
given your connections in ZTerm. These contain your macro strings.
Don't touch them unless you know what you're doing.
Find the string with the name of your UN*X connection. Check the
resource ID associated with it. It should be 20xx where xx is some

Below the strs with names, you'll find more strs with ID 30xx. Open the
one that matches the 20xx ID you want.
Then, go down to lines 9 and 10. Change line 9 to "rz" (no quotes)
and line 10 to "sz" (also no quotes). Make sure that both of these are
lower case only.

Save your file, and next time you access your UN*X account, you'll
be able to download any file listed by command clicking on the name.

The great thing about ZTerm ZModem transfers, is that they're resumeable.
That means, if you've got limited time on your UN*X account per day, a
slow modem, and a *HUGE* file to download, you can get a small part of it
a day, and not waste your online time.

Another neat feature: you can option click anywhere on the screen in a
text editor to move the cursor to that position.

Hope this is useful (sorry for its length).


From: Midianite1
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 18:45:01 -0400 (EDT)
To: Classic Posts
Subject: Looking for Accelerator Software?

I have recently obtained a Focus Enhancements accelerator for the Mac Classic
computer. It was made by "Techworks" in 1993 but distributed by Focus. This
accelerator is a 68030 board with a 40mhz clock speed. I did not recieve a
diskette with this accelerator. The files that were suppose to be on the disk
are named as follows:

1. System Folder
2. GraceLAN Personal (spelled just as it appears)
3. Classic Accel. Extension

If anyone has this same accelerator and the software as well, I would die for
a copy of it. You can e-mail me at "Midianite1".

Date: Mon, 5 May 97 19:09:50 PDT
From: armstrong
To: Classic Posts
Subject: Serial Port Settings?

My dad and sister both have 68040 vintage Macs (one I think
a Performa 475 and the other some version Quadra). both are
telling me that when they turn their machine off and then back on,
their printer port setting has been changed from the printer port
to the modem port.

Is this another issue with the battery, or something else?

Bob Armstrong

From: "Jones, Paul B"
To: Classic Posts
Subject: System Software Distribution--It's Okay
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 12:13:00 +1000

Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 07:01:19 -0800
To: Classic Posts
From: B.J. Major & Dennis J. Gorin
Subject: System Software: You Must License It!

I'm writing this message *not* to be the software police (far from it), but
to share with others on this list my first hand experience with trying to
give someone copies of some discontinued System software they needed.

One cannot just offer to copy disks for someone for any Apple System
software unless they have an official license to do so from Apple.
Official user groups and other private individuals have licenses and may
provide you with copies of System software for your use. Please note this
applies to any and all computers Apple has ever made, including Apple II,
Lisa, Macintosh, Apple III, etc. Unless you see the System software you
need on Apple's FTP sites--where you can download it yourself--this is the
policy that is supposed to be followed. You are also not supposed to be
charged for this System software outside of the cost of the floppy disks.

I'm not sure if folks on this classic macs list that are putting Mac
*System* software on their websites are following this policy, but if you
are not, you are likely to be told about it from Apple. From what I
understand, the license fee for being an official "licensee" is minimal and
has to be paid to Apple on a yearly basis.

My personal experience with offering to copy a set of discontinued Apple
//c System disks for someone who just happened to pick up a //c at a thrift
store bears witness to this. I was flamed off usenet
group for even offering to help the person in this way. I had no intention
of charging for the software, but was told that I could not offer to do
this without a license, regardless.


Having just checked again with Apple, Mac software up to 7.0.1 tune-up
can be distributed, on a personal basis, 'freely'. This may not apply to
Apple II software. MacOS upgrades may also be distributed free, but you
must pay for 7.1, 7.5, 7.5.3(?), 7.6 etc. If you are distributing a
commercial product them you must(?) have Apple's permission to do so,
but if someone asks me for a copy of, say, system 6.0.7 and printer
drivers then it's not a problem to pass it on and charge for the media
and a coping fee. There are a large number of ftp sites, Apple and
Non-Apple that carry the stuff, so if you can't get it, some-else can do
it for you. When the CD-ROM burner finally arrives, I hope to put
together a complete historic collection of Mac system software, 1.0 to
7.0.1 but don't ask me yet. For old Mac systems order Develop Magazine#6
and CD from Apple, it had a big collection of old system software on it.

Paul B Jones
member Apple Associates Program, Aust.
Tech Support, Mac Ware Intl.

Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 22:37:45 -0500
To: Classic Posts
From: Jag
Subject: MacWeb and GIFs

Subject: MacWeb 2.0 Problems?
Date: Sun, 4 May 97 18:50:08 -0700
From: diegesis

I know there's been extensive discussion on MacWeb, but I can't remember
a post which clearly answers a connundrum I have recently experienced.

The other day, I deceded to upgrade my parent's Mac Plus from verson
1.1a3 to version 2.0 of MacWeb. This cleared up all their
freezes/crashes, but I ran into a problem. Version 2.0 will
(understandably) not view JPEGs without Quicktime installed, but for some
reason, their Mac+ chronically requests a post-processor application for
GIFs as well. If MacWeb is selected as the post-processor app, the
program goes into some sort of infinite loop, with the menu bar items
being enabled/disabled, and the screen contents freeze up.

Does MacWeb 2.0 not display graphics *at all* on pre-CQD macs?

(I also have an early version of NCSA Mosaic on their Plus, but while it
views inline GIFs, it is based on HTML 1.0, and so doesn't have any of
the 2.0 features which are on virtually all pages today.)




Very good questions. A nice fellow from the UK (who subs to this list) has
been nice enough to detail how to view gifs on a non Quickdraw Mac (Compact
B&W). I've forgotten his name and URL, but he was kind enough to allow me
to add his info to my DocMaker document "Get Your Compact Mac On the Web"
which is on my web site


I also have all the software (GifWatcher, DAPiggyback, MacWeb) that you
need here:



Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 22:43:02 -0500
To: Classic Posts
From: Jag
Subject: CD-ROM Auto-Mount Question?

JAG writes:

This isn't really a classic mac question but...

Why is it that every time I start up my Centris, my CD ROM drive has to
be on (it's an external) for it to mount automatically?

SCSI devices are "intelligent," that is, they talk to each other. When
the Mac calls for devices, the ones that are turned off can't answer.

You can always use SCSI Probe to mount devices you turn on after the fact.

Hope this helps!


Actually, I forgot to include a little tidbit- SCSI Probe doesn't mount my
CD ROM after startup if the CD ROM is off when I start up. I have to
re-start my Mac in (with the CD ROM on) for my Mac to automount the CD ROM.

Any thoughts?


Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 01:58:59 -0500 (CDT)
From: James Lewis Dering
To: Classic Posts
Subject: Mac Plus on the Internet?

Hi! I'll be honest, I've not sifted through the archives on this one, so
if this has been answered a dozen times before, and if there's any one who
happens to know which issue of the digest I should go to, I'd really
appreciate a pointer.

With no further ado, my question is: I'm about to acquire a Mac Plus, and
I was unsure of its capabilities. Can I connect it to the net? I'm not
expecting too much, but I was hoping for at least a terminal connection,
and hopefully using ConfigPPP or FreePPP to get a ppp connection going,
and then maybe I could use NCSA Telnet and/or something like MacWeb.
Is any of this possible? As I have not seen it yet, and, admittedly,
don't know much about one, I don't even know if it'll connect to a modem.

Well, that's it. Thanks in advance!

James Dering

From: j.holloway11
Date: Tue, 6 May 97 09:25:00 GMT
To: Classic Posts
Subject: Using 1.44 Disks as 800K

This is NOT a good idea unless it's an emergency and you HAVE to get
data over to an 800k drive. DO NOT think that the data will be stable
(it won't). Sometimes it works great for months, sometimes the data is
lost. DON'T TRUST it.


Sorry Jag,

The 1.4meg disks are made of better media than the earlier 800k disks.
You could have had other problems. Or super cheap disks :) but there is
nothing magical about the media in general. The amount of data that a
disk can hold is merely a measure of the media quality.


I have to agree with Jag on this. The media is not just different quality,
the surface of the two are entirely different as to the size of the
magnetic particles and how tightly packed they are, and _most_ 800k drives
do not write with a strong enough signal to guarantee long-term safety of
your data on a 1.44 disk. Some individuals are lucky and may get by for
years doing this; it depends on the quirks of different drives and media

A few years ago when the transition to HD disks was beginning, the business
computer lab at our high school lost _dozens_ of disks due to formatting DD
disks as HD (DOS 3.3 did not check media type before formatting and the
teachers didn't know the difference). Again, some machine/disk
combinations would seem to work doing this, but in my opinion _and_
experience, you are playing Russian roulette with your data.

John Holloway

Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 14:25:24 +0100
To: Classic Posts
From: Theodor Nemec
Subject: Radius Full-Page Display?

Hello! Good people:

Mac SE with Radius Accelerator v.2.1 built in, MacOS 6.0.8, running like a
breeze by itself. Radius logo appears during the bootup. When I hold down
the mouse button I get the Accelerator Preference Panel. I have only the
System and nothing else.

After "successful" installation of Classic/SE+Display v.4.1 and Radius
Accelerator v.2.9 software and connecting with the FPDisplay the booting
process stops after I click OK in the Accelerator Preference Panel.
The FPD remains black, screen slightly flashing when brilliance control is
turned to the minimum. The screen remains black even when I switch off the

I cannot bring up the Radius Control Panel for the FPD-SE. It does not
appear in the Control Panel (under Apple). Neither can I bring it up by
holding down the mouse button.

I tried to do the same with 7.0* installed. I get "The Control Panel
Classic/SE+Display cannot be used with this Macintosh"!

There are two ROM chips version 4.4 on the Radius board inside the FPD.
Power cable and video cable are alright. The FPD draws 0.4 Amp (230 V
here), the cathode heater glows dark red, there is +12 V and -12 V.

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks, Theodor

Theodor Nemec
Hasselgatan 103

Voice: +46 8 590 74816
Fax: +46 8 590 74816

Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 09:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Intricacies of High-density Disks
From: Larry.Kollar
To: Classic Posts

Rowland writes:

Older disc drives (like Mac 800K drives) write fairly broad tracks with
low-power heads. Newer disc drives (like superdrives) write fairly narrow
tracks with high-power heads.

Just to clarify -- DD and HD disks actually have the same number of tracks.
The HD disks just cram more data into each track. That's why you don't see
many problems using DD disks (*as* DD disks) in HD drives.

In the 5-1/4" disk world, the HD disks *do* have more tracks than DD, so
that's why many people have reported problems with mixing disks & drives
in that situation.

Now if only I could get a few dozen 8" floppies for my NEC APC... whoops,
wrong classic. :-)

Pedantically yours,


P.S. Thanks are due the moderator for going straight to the source about
formatting HD disks as DD.

Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 09:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: MacWeb 2.0 Problems
To: Classic Posts

diegesis writes:

The other day, I deceded to upgrade my parent's Mac Plus from verson
1.1a3 to version 2.0 of MacWeb. [...] for some
reason, their Mac+ chronically requests a post-processor application for
GIFs as well.

Try trashing MacWeb's preferences. Chances are that you had a helper
app configured for 1.1, and now you can't get rid of it. Alternately,
you could copy the preferences file from a working 2.0 into your parent's

Also, I *assume* you have Internet Config set up on their system. MW2.0
depends rather heavily on it.


From: rbjones
Subject: 800K, Just Order Them in Bulk!
To: Classic Posts
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 17:38:27 -0400 (EDT)

I have been following this whole 800k floppy thing and just out of curiosity I
checked the newest MacWarehouse catalog for DS/DD 800k floppys. They carry 100
packs of the Sony DS/DD disks for $57.95 US. That is the price per pack for
1-4 packs. For 5-9 it goes to $56.95 and 10+ each go for $55.95.
If these sound steep check with other users about splitting the packs or w/ a
user group to see if anyone wants to go in with you.
Seeing the results of "faking" an 800K this seems to me the most logical
aproach, to buy them bulk.

Here is the MacWarehouse info:


3.5" DS/DD (100 Bulk Pack) item# BND 0219 see prices above

I have no afiliation with MacWarehouse, just got thier cat. yesterday.

Good luck,
Bruce Jones
Loyally Mac

Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 17:38:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Manuel Mejia
To: Classic Posts
Subject: PowerBook 145 Floppy Disk Problem?

I am about to send my PowerBook 145 in for servicing because the floppy
drive will not read any disks nor format them. I cannot even download any
files onto preformatted disks. In fact, the drive will corrupt the
information that is stored on a disk and I have to use another mac to
reformat them before I can use them again.

Any ideas what the problem may be ?

Manuel Mejia, Jr.
Tampa, FLA.

Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 22:56:23 -0400
From: Kent Fulmer
To: Classic Posts
Subject: Please Help!

I'm writing to let you know about a group that could use a helping
hand. The group is the Wesley House After School Program located in
Dowagiac, Michigan. The Wesley House director, Brad Brillhart describes
the program as i...a safe and healthy place for youth to spend their
time after school with adult role models in recreation, friendship
development and peer and adult tutoring.

The Wesley house is operated by the local Methodist church, but is open
to the whole community and is not operated as an evangelical outreach.

As part of the educational aspect of the Wesley House they would very
much like to put together a small computer lab to provide after school
access to computers for students whose families cannot afford home
computers. They, however, they do not have funding to do so at this

Here is where the call for help comes in. I know this is a time when
many older Macs...030s and 040s are being phased out in favor of faster
machines. These older machines still have a lot of productivity left in
them and I canit think of a better use for them, than to be put in the
hands of a child, who would otherwise not to have access to a computer.
Do you have a system you would consider donating?

While I believe the needs of this group would be best served by color
systems with 030 or better processors, even older machines, such as
Pluses and SEs can be put to good use and would be very much

I know that most of you have similar worthwhile programs in your area
and I know that if you sold that old Centris or FX you could make a few
hundred dollars, but I have to believe that in a group this size there
must be a few people or businesses with serviceable systems sitting
there collecting dust and waiting a new lease on life and the chance to
inspire a child. If this note has you even a little curious, and you
would like to know more about how you might be able to help out, please
drop me a note and I will pass on what information I can, as well as the
telephone number and address for the Wesley House.

The need is for a few complete systems (monitor, keyboard and mouse
ect.), printers that will work with older Macs (Iim hoping they will
need printers that will work with Macs) and, again assuming I can track
down computers, licensable software that will work on the older

I should note that I am not directly affiliated with the Wesley House or
the Dowagiac United Methodist Church. I learned about this project while
conducting an interview for the radio station were I work and offered to
help out . Their goal of making computers available to children is one
that is very important to me. Besides I couldnit bear the thought of a
half dozen used 386s sitting in their computer lab.

Remember....a Mac is still the best evangelist their is!

Kent Fulmer

PS: All eMail sent to me on this subject will be forwarded to the Wesley
House staff, and should you choose to help out you would deal directly
with them.

Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 14:13:56 AST
From: Andrew Pickett
Subject: LCIII System Woes?
To: Classic Posts

Hello, fellow classicists. Hoping you could help me out:

I while ago I bought an LCIII, used, for a friend. I know a bit about Macs,
but I'm not much of a technician. Anyway, this LCIII had System 7.5 installed,
which I decided to excise on the grounds that it was (i) unlicensed (ii)
unnecessary (iii) difficult to maintain, since we didn't have installer disks
for it. So, I chose to install 7.0.1.

It turns out that the LCIII seems to be "addicted" to 7.5. Even reformatting
the hard drive, removing the battery, etc. have failed to convince it that
"you need newer system software for this Mac", even with System 7.1 disks.

Strangely, the machine won't start up with *any* floppy, not even a Norton 3.1
emergency disk, which handles a Power Mac quite beautifully. Won't start up, I
say, except... with the Sys 7.1 "Disk Tools" disk. Not the Install disk, but
Disk Tools. Very perplexing.

Finally I copied over the minimal system from the 7.1 DT and built a semi-
functional system folder around that. It didn't entirely work - there are some
serious problems with system function, although it's usable in a general sort
of way.


Andrew Pickett
Halifax, Canada

Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 14:04:56 -0600
To: Classic Posts
From: D. Buchner
Subject: Re: Think Tank

Nearly 10 years ago there was an Mac program on market called 'Think Tank'.
A kind of brainstorm-supporting program.
I assume it is now out of market. Are there any copies to sell or any ideas
where to get this program?


This brings up an issue I've been wondering about for a while. What are the
ramifications of giving away copies of formerly expensive, now obsolete
software to fellow users? I guess I mean legal ramifications, because
ethically I'm perfectly okay with it. This is usually stuff that there's
noplace besides Salvation Army or Goodwill that anyone CAN buy it anymore,
so it's not like the company is "losing money" over it. Many of the
companies no longer exist, even. Nevertheless, I usually restrain myself
from saying "hey! I've got that, I'll email you a copy."

David Buchner

Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 14:05:00 -0600
To: Classic Posts
From: D. Buchner
Subject: Re: 1.4MB Disks Masquerading as 800K Disks

The 1.4meg disks are made of better media than the earlier 800k disks.
You could have had other problems. Or super cheap disks :) but there is
nothing magical about the media in general. The amount of data that a disk
can hold is merely a measure of the media quality.


I agree. I think one is MUCH more likely to have problems punching the
"extra hole" in an 800K disk to make superdrives think it's a high density
disk, and formatting it for 1.4MB - than by "tricking" it the other way
around. They used to sell disks just like that in the university bookstore.
Somebody was buying hugely cheap bulk DD floppies, using a square hole
punch on them, and selling them for twice as much. Since they started out
crappy, there was little hope for them in this format - I worked in the
computer lab, and I think I saw more data hopelessly lost by these disks
than I saw actually stored and retreived.

David Buchner

From: "Robert D. Matthews"
To: Classic Posts
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 17:24:40 +0000
Subject: Needing Info on a 512K Machine?

I have an old 512k machine that I rescued from a garage sale several
years ago. I am wanting to set it up for my daughters (5 and 3)
instead of an old 486 that I also have. The machine has an external
floppy drive. The floppy drives are both worn. In order to insert a
disk I have to push the eject button with a paper clip and then slip
a disk in. I don't have any OS disks for this machine. I tried
making one with an 800k floppy off of my Quadra, but to no avail.
(Are the disks 800k or 400k?) Where could I get something to make
this machine run? Are there hard drives available for it? Any
information on this machine will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

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