Table of Contents for
this issue:
The Definitive Word on System Distribution
That Darned Centris CD-ROM?
Software for Classic Mac Lovers
800K Disks
CD-ROMs and Computer Functionality?
Web Browsers that Work on Mac IIs
Mass Micro Quick Image 24--Not a Monitor?
Mac Fonts on Windows?
Re: Lynx Browser
SE/30 HD Interleaving: Believe Silverlining
Re: SE/30 HDD Upgrade
Enablers: Ya Have 'Em or Ya Don't
Mac TV on the Net
Re: Lynx, Shell Account
Re: Web Browser for Mac II
CD-ROM Mount After Startup
Old System Software-Let It Be
Re: Lynx
UNIX for Classic Macs
Where to Get MacX?
SE/30 HDD Upgrade: The Power of One
Lynx on a Mac!
Plus Power Supplies?
Charge Card Authorization Software?
I haven't been following the list for a while due to other commitments, but I was asked by another list subscriber to add my AUD0.02 to this thread. It isn't entirely on-topic but it is important and relevant to old Mac users.
Having just checked again with Apple, Mac software up to 7.0.1 tune-up can be distributed, on a personal basis, 'freely'. This may not apply to
I trust you have _written_ notification of this from an Apple employee authorized and empowered to make such a statement?
You will observe that all Apple ftp sites carry a license agreement which is applicable to all Apple software on the site. Most recent Apple software updates and retail products also display a license during installation. I would draw your attention to the following sections from the license agreement for the Open Transport 1.1.2 update (a template sort of document, it's not identical in all Apple software, but it's substantially the same).
"1. License. [...] YOU OWN THE MEDIA ON WHICH THE APPLE SOFTWARE IS RECORDED BUT APPLE AND/OR APPLE'S LICENSOR(S) RETAIN TITLE TO THE APPLE SOFTWARE. [...]"
"2. Permitted Use and Restrictions. [...] This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time. You may make one copy of the Apple Software in machine-readable form for backup purposes only. [...] Except as permitted by applicable law and this License, you may not [...] rent, lease, loan, distribute, create derivative works from the Apple Software or transmit the Apple Software over a network."
"8. Complete Agreement. [...] No amendment to or modification of this License will be binding unless in writing and signed by Apple."
The license agreement on Apple's ftp servers, among other things, adds a condition to #2 which expressly forbids you placing the Apple software on any other on-line service.
Apple makes the software "freely" available. This means that they do not charge for it. They still hold the copyright(s)/patent rights &c. and your usage of it is subject to the terms of the original license unless you negotiate with Apple and obtain written permission to use or distribute the product(s) in a particular way.
You might (probably will) get away with it, because Apple has other things to worry about than chasing license violations of ten-year-old (plus) software, but legally you are in the wrong.
Lewin A.R.W. Edwards
http://www.zws.com/
SCSI probe won't mount your CD 'cause you don't have a software driver loaded in the machine for it. It won't load if it doesn't see a CD at startup time. If you have a bootable CD in the drive then it may work but possibly only with an apple drive. There was some 3rd party drivers that would load just in case you added a CD later, I think that CD-ROM toolkit version 2 will mount a drive that has been added after the machine has been started.
PBJ
Actually, I have all the CD ROM software for the 300i installed. Foreign file access, CD ROM extension, etc... It seems silly that it won't SEE the CD ROM without rebooting. Any thoughts?
JAG
Http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/jagshouseone.html
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 10:51:33 +0930
From: R and J Publishing
Subject: Need HD and RAM?
hi,
Thanks very much for joining me to your classic mac club. I received the reply right after I sent it. I heard about you in the Launceston Macintosh Users Group Newsletter (LaMUG) in Tasmania! I also read in the LaMUG Newsletter of how someone amazingly hooked up their Zip Drive to their Mac Plus and surfed the Internet. That's where I got really interested in buying one.
I subscibed cause I bought a Mac Plus a while ago from IC Technology that they used for spare parts. They managed to put it back together for me for a bit more than $50, bargain! It's great except for the main problem is that it hasn't got a hard drive so I have to put the startup disk back in all the time and has only got 1mb of RAM standard. It came with system 6.07 that I will upgrade to system 7.01 if I can get a hard drive and RAM from you. I can run a few small games on it including Kid Pix but I can't run simple text or teachtext as they need system 7 or later.
from a Mac lover
Rodney
You'll need at least 2 megs to get on the net. I have all the details on how to do it below.
For those of you who want to get on the web with a browser on a Plus, SE or SE/30, Portable or other 68000 series Mac, here's the URL for the MacWeb browser and all the extensions and control panels you'll need:
Http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/macweb.hqx
It will work with Macs with 2 megs minimum.
Here's the URL for an instruction manual on how to do it:
Http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/compactmac.hqx
For TONS of shareware for older Macs, go to:
http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/classic.html
and for my shareware page, go to:
http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/Shareware.html
Enjoy!
JAG
Http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/jagshouseone.html
For those of you needing 800k discs, I get mine at good ole' Wal Mart ($5 for a box). They are 720k Imation IBM discs. Just reformat 'em in your Mac as Mac discs.
JAG
Http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/jagshouseone.html
I have noticed that my computer will not function if the CD-Rom is off. The only time I can run the Mac without having the CD Rom on is when I have disconnected the CD-Rom from the computer. I use an external CD-Rom (the one that worked with the old MAC TV system). It is the old quad speed and was originally shipped with Quicktime 1.6 on disk.
Manuel Mejia, Jr.
Tampa, FLA.
Earlier today (5/9), I bought a discontinued copy of Netscape Navigator 2.0 for the Macintosh for $16.00. The software is in CD-Rom form and comes with a large user's manual. The books states the system requirements are 68020 with System 7.0, 5 megs of disk space, 8 megs ram. The bookstore that I got this from had about 1/2 a dozen copies. This would be a good bet for a 68020 MAC web browser. I previously stated otherwise.
Internet Explorer 2.0 is another good choice for a web browser. Comp USA was closing out copies on CD Rom with an 800 page book to go with it. Check the Classic Mac archives for more information on browsers. I just finished an article on the topic of web page making.
Manuel Mejia, Jr.
Tampa, FLA.
i bought a used mac II, and found a nubus card in it that i can't figure out. it is labled 'mass micro systems - quick image 24'. anyone has a clue as to what it is? thanks for the help, you're a great bunch!
I don't have any firsthand experience with the card, but it sounds like a 24-bit video card; you can check because you should be able to plug your (color?) monitor into the connector at the back.
the card has four connectors in the back! none looks like it can accomodate a monitor. two appear to be adb ports, one looks like a serial port, and the fourth a co-axial ethernet?. all are circular plugs ?!?!
hilal
ok, this is not really a classic macs questions, but still, this is the only list i subscribe to.
i am looking for windoze versions of the standard apple macintosh truetype fonts (geneva, chicago, new yorkk, monaco, etc...). i am forced to use a wintel box at the office, but i take my files home to work on my mac often. also, i really want to use chicago in my documents so that others know i worked on a mac. and i don't think i will be able to resist the temptation of using the little apples (option-shift-k) as bullet points in my presentations.... ;)
thanks
hilal
If memory serves correct, Lynx was only designed to work on UNIX and on PCs that were modified to run UNIX. There is no Lynx for Macintosh.
Lynx is a common feature on computer accounts that link to a UNIX file server. In such cases, the MAC is just a "dummy" terminal. I remember reading about this somewhere. Someone correct me if I am wrong on this.
Manuel Mejia, Jr.
Tampa, FLA.
On 5/9/97 8:40 PM, Classic Posts wrote:
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 10:48:06 -0600 (MDT)
From: Trent Liles
Subject: SE/30 HDD Upgrade?
I am in the process of Installing a new 365MB Hard disk in my SE/30 using Silverlining and my question is this. What Interleave should I use? Silverlining tells me my Computer is a MacII and that I should use an interleave of 1 yet I have heard elsewhere that I need to use 3. Just a little confused and needing some advice.
Believe Silverlining; 1:1 is fine for the SE/30; Pluses need something like 1:3, but SE/30s are plenty fast enough to keep up with the hard disk.
And yes, the SE/30 is equivalent to a MacII--the IIcx and IIx, to be specific, in terms of speed and power. The IIcx and IIx have more expansion slots. All are 68030 chips and run at 16MHz. With a fast hard disk you will find the SE/#0 to be nice and perky. Enjoy!
Dave Bogart
An interleave of 1 is what you need. All Macs from the SE/30 onward (Mac II series included) use this setting because they can keep up with the flow of SCSI data. The SE uses a setting of 2, I believe, and the Plus a setting of 3.
Silverlining is probably wrong, in case you weren't sure: your SE/30 is likely an SE/30. ;?)
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 10:48:06 -0600 (MDT)
From: Trent Liles
Subject: SE/30 HDD Upgrade?
I am in the process of Installing a new 365MB Hard disk in my SE/30 using Silverlining and my question is this. What Interleave should I use? Silverlining tells me my Computer is a MacII and that I should use an interleave of 1 yet I have heard elsewhere that I need to use 3. Just a little confused and needing some advice.
Trent
Amitai Schlair
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 10:48:06 -0600 (MDT)
From: Trent Liles
Subject: SE/30 HDD Upgrade?
I am in the process of Installing a new 365MB Hard disk in my SE/30 using Silverlining and my question is this. What Interleave should I use? Silverlining tells me my Computer is a MacII and that I should use an interleave of 1 yet I have heard elsewhere that I need to use 3. Just a little confused and needing some advice.
Use an interleave of 1. Only MacPluses required an interleave of 3. SEs need 2. Most others need 1. Actually I'm suprised Silverlining is even bothering with interleave as I would expect that drive has a built in cache which eliminates the need to interleave on any drive.
Clark Martin
Hi Classic Macs,
The minimum system requirements for LC III are 7.1 and System enabler 003, it may be that the 7.1 install set is specifically for another Mac model and is unable to install the correct enabler onto the LC III. Once 7.5 came along the use of system enablers was discontinued leading to a general sigh of relief from those of us that had multiple Mac models running 7.1.
Be seeing you.
PA-S.
Well, there are *some* Macs that came out with 7.5 plus an enabler. One example is the 6300...it has an enabler.
What I think you were trying to say is that all computers which require a system enabler under 7.1 (including my trusty Performa 460 with its oddball Enabler 308) are liberated from the Enabler mess with 7.5.
If you have a decent amount of memory, and you have to go buy system software for your LCIII anyway, go for 7.5.3 "Unity" release. 7.5.5 and 7.6 do not yield any perceptible benefit for "Classic" Macs like ours. 7.5.3 was still available from MacWarehouse in February...hopefully there are still copies extant.
I'm running 7.5.3 and "SodyPop" (my Mac) and I are very, very happy. My system overhead only went up a megabyte or so under 7.5.3, so unless you have 4MB, GO FOR IT. I love it.
--.\\<-H--
Michelle Klein-Hass: Web Goddess/Animation Nerd/Troublemaker
http://www.2cowherd.net/catseye/
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 16:20:30 -0500
From: Kenneth Hackney
Subject: Minimum Configuration Mac
I have a MacTV which looks cool (it's black), but with it's 68030 CPU and 8 MEG RAM maximum capacity is sadly limited these days.
I'm going on the road with a travel trailer. I would like a Mac to take along, but the MacTV is all I have that could go too. It runs an old system (6?) and was never on the internet.
If I pull all unnecessary parts of the system and go with Eudora Lite will it run? Can I run a primitive Netscape? I don't want to be isolated on the road.
What system, and how big is the system file? I don't know. My daughter has the machine in addition to her (ugh) Pentium PC, and I must corral her and get it back to find out. I could always get a modem for it.
Somewhere there is an old disk from my ISP with Eudora Lite and Netscape 1.1. I would need an appropriate MacTCP and PPP. They probably are stored away also. Should I bother?
Could a 68030 processor with 8 Meg RAM and a 160 Meg HD handle internet communications these days?
Regards,
Ken
Kenneth U. Hackney
Lubbock, Texas
Ken
You can get Macs as old as the Plus on the web. You'll need sys 7 to do it with ease. For details, go to the shareware page on my web site. I have all the software you'll need to do it.
http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/Shareware.html
JAG
From: Jag
Subject: Lynx?
Does anybody know where (or IF) you can get Lynx to work on a
Mac?
Preferably a classic Mac. It's a text only browser that Laura Lemay
mentions often in her book "Learn HTML in 14 Days" (by the way an
EXCELLENT book! {Sams Publishin I beleive}). I d/l a copy of it, but
there was no application in the folder, only a bunch of Unix
gobbledy-gook.
She has screen shots of it in her book, so I know it'll run on
a Mac, but I
don't know how to set up my copy of it. Help
JAG,
Http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/jagshouseone.html
You can't run it on a Mac. It runs on a unix server and used on the Mac through a terminal program.
BTW if anyone knows of an ISP in the Everett WA area that supports shell accounts I'd like to know about it. I would at least like to try out that method, not just for web but also for email and ftp access. Maybe it'll all work faster, it will save on system overhead (MacTCP and MacPPP). A Plus is a bit slow, but I love mine.
NeonGooch
Subject: Web Browser for Mac II?
Well, I *finally* got my Mac II up on the 'Net and was looking
for a
recommendation about what browser to use.
I'm currently flipping between an old copy of MacWeb and Mosaic
2.01. Since
this is a 68020 machine, I was wondering if any version of Netscape
will run on it? Any other recommendations?
Thanks... <<<john>>>
I would think that netscape 2 would work if you have enuf ram (8meg should be enuf according to friends). You can get it at <ftp*.netscape.com> where you replace "*" with a number from 2 to 8. Can someone else back me up (or shoot me down).
NeonGooch
JAG writes:
Actually, I forgot to include a little tidbit- SCSI Probe doesn't mount my CD ROM after startup if the CD ROM is off when I start up. I have to re-start my Mac in (with the CD ROM on) for my Mac to automount the CD ROM.
Any thoughts?
There is a freeware utility called LoadADrive available at http://www.zdnet.com/macuser/software/ that will mount an external CD ROM drive without restarting. It seems to work fine on my old Mac II and Apple CD150 drive.
Dan Kelly
Can you imagine the fiasco that would ensue if this copyright were strictly enforced? If Apple plugged all the holes to ensure that its old OS versions were only disseminated through "legitimate" channels? Apple can barely manage to distribute the current version of the OS in an efficient manner, let alone filling requests for outdated versions. As the old saying goes, "Be careful what you wish for..." :-) JG
you *must* have a license from Apple to copy System software for someone else. The reason for this is that it is copyrighted by Apple.
Your post is encouraging others to duplicate at will for others what is copyrighted, and this defeats the entire purpose of the licensing agreement.
--bj
Jon Gaines
lynx doesn't run directly on a Mac. It's a UNIX program (hence the gobbledygook :), so you have to log into a UNIX host which has the program in order to run it. Telnet is one way of doing this (if you have a TCP connection); ZTerm is another. Since lynx actually runs on the UNIX host, it requires nothing of the Mac other than it be a decent terminal emulator. ZTerm and NCSA Telnet both fit this criterion, and they both run on System 6 as well. (NCSA Telnet's control-key workaround doesn't seem to work on a Plus, though.)
Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 23:30:32 -0500
From: Jag
Subject: Lynx?
Does anybody know where (or IF) you can get Lynx to work on a Mac? Preferably a classic Mac. It's a text only browser that Laura Lemay mentions often in her book "Learn HTML in 14 Days" (by the way an EXCELLENT book! {Sams Publishin I beleive}). I d/l a copy of it, but there was no application in the folder, only a bunch of Unix gobbledy-gook.
She has screen shots of it in her book, so I know it'll run on a Mac, but I don't know how to set up my copy of it. Help
JAG
Http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/jagshouseone.html
Amitai Schlair
NetBSD <http://www.netbsd.org> and OpenBSD <http://www.openbsd.org> are free variants of the "real" Berkeley Software Distribution UNIX. Among many other hardware platforms, the current versions support II-series Macs as well as some Quadra/Centris models and older PowerBooks. For a whole pile of Mac-specific *BSD info, including supported Mac models and Ethernet cards, have a look around <http://www.macbsd.com>.
The NetBSD project has been at it for some time; OpenBSD is a new offshoot of that project. I believe NetBSD is currently the only one that can run the X Window System, but OpenBSD has been reported to run somewhat faster and claims to solve a few security problems. Both have Usenet newsgroups and mailing lists for discussing user issues; however, only NetBSD has a list specifically devoted to its Mac port, while OpenBSD offers a single mailing list (which seems quite quiet) for users of all hardware platforms. On the _other_ other hand, NetBSD is subject to U.S. export restrictions on portions of its distribution, but OpenBSD is based in Canada and therefore has no such restrictions.
I'm in the U.S. and need as much help as I can get, so I'm currently using NetBSD 1.2.1 on my IIci. I'm very happy with it. If your needs are different, you may prefer OpenBSD.
The developers are hard at work on supporting more Macs and add-on hardware and other miscellaneous stuff. An interesting idea on the agenda for future releases is Mac OS integration. If you need this capability now, Tenon Intersystems' MachTen <http://www.tenon.com> is definitely worth a look. Alternatively, Apple's A/UX (no longer sold or supported, though you can get info via their FaxBack service) runs the Mac OS as a UNIX process.
I hope some of you find this information useful!
Amitai Schlair
I was wondering if anyone knows where I can get a copy of MacX (An application that comes with PATHWORKS) say version pre-1.2 (ie 1.17) or if any one knows the minimum system requirements for MacX. Thanks for the help.
Steven Stewart
Does anybody know where (or IF) you can get Lynx to work on a Mac?
Check out <http://www.lynx.browser.org/>. Lynx is a text browser for the World Wide Web. Versions up through Lynx 2.7.1 =A0run on VMS and various versions of Un*x. A port to Win32, and to DOS 386+ via DJGPP are included in the =A0current developmental version. The easiest way to use Lynx on a Mac (esp. a Classic mac) is to get a Un*x shell account from your local ISP. They will probably have Lynx installed on their system. Alternatively, you could pursue the following:
1. Olivier Gutknecht recently reported that he was working on a MacOS port of Lynx. I think it will be out in a couple of weeks, but I am not sure what platforms it will run under. IMHO, in the true spirit of Lynx, it should run on a 128k, but don't hold your breath!
2. If you happen to have a PowerPC that you have at least 500mb of
free HD space, it's easy to build Lynx for mklinux
(<http://www.mklinux.apple.com/>). Just use the linux-ncurses
argument for make (but you must have ncurses installed). There are
Lynx executables for mklinux available from
<ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/mklinux/mkarchive/comm/browsers/index.html>.
In addition, it may be possible that someone has compiled Lynx on
MachTen (another version of Un*x for the MAC) but I haven't heard
about it yet.=20
3. There is a version of Lynx ported to the PowerPC running BE's Be Operating Systems. I would check BE's www site at <http://www.beos.com/> for more info.
There is a Lynx mailing list that is archived at: <http://www.flora.org/lynx-dev/>. Look there for further information.
Hope this helps...
Tripp Frasch
does anyone know a source for plus power supplies?
tia
vpn
I am looking for software which will allow me to use my Mac as a charge card authorization terminal.
If anyone has any suggestions please contact me.
Thanks,
Greg McNeil