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Table of Contents for this issue:
Apple IIgs & Macs - Network (and other stuff)?
MS Word Icon Change?
Classic Mac Games?
Possible Frozen Mac Solution
Free 10-12 Apple II, IIc, IIe Computers and Peripherals
Plus is Dark?
Sound on an SE?
Mac SE's and 28.8 Sportster Modems
PB-100 Clock Battery Problem!
Lynx Screen Resolution for Macs
7.5.5 and Souped-Up LC?
New Pre-PPC Mac User Site
Do-It-Yourself PB100 Batteries
Problem with an SE/30 & PB-100!
Apple II Software?
Re: Color Classic Resolution
Highest Version of Mac OS on a IIcx?
AE+ 1.44 Drive Works on Macs with 800K Drives
Setting up MacWeb on an SE/30?
Java and Netscape 2.01 on a 68020?
Apple Licensing Address....
Spanish-Speaking Expert Needed
Looking for Kinetics EtherPORT SE Drivers
SE/30 and Sony 13" Monitor?
Mac Classic II Shrinking Screen?
IIci and "New" Ethernet Card?
SE/30 and 7.5 SCSI Driver Conflict?
Screen Saver, Fan, and Extra Hard Drives?
Mac II and 21" Monitor Problems?
Ethernet and Accelerated IIsi?
SE Monitor Switch?

Subject: Apple IIgs & Macs - Network (and other stuff)?
Date: Fri, 30 May 97 22:27:04 -0500
From: Geoff Kaiser
To: Classic Posts

I just picked up an Apple IIgs and some software, and I'm looking forward
to having a little fun with this old distant Apple relative; very soon I
will dig in and learn how it works....

My situation is this: I know I've heard about folks putting Macs and IIgs
machines on the same AppleTalk network--does anyone on this list have
experience with this? I'd like to hook my IIgs up on an AppleTalk network
with one or two of my Macs.

If anyone knows about this, these are my questions:

1) Is there a minimum system software version I'll need for the IIgs? I
believe I have 5.1 and 6.0 right now.

2) Can I hook them up with a basic, bare bones LocalTalk setup (printer
port to printer port)? Or will the IIgs do that? I know you might be
thinking "That way is too slow!" but I don't need Ethernet speed here. I
just want to share basic files (AppleWorks, etc.) and maybe some
IIgs-generated graphic files/screenshots.

3) This is not completely related, but does anyone out there know of a
mailing list like this one, but for the Apple II? I have all kinds of
questions about whether the IIgs can do things like send/recieve e-mail,
get on the web (or at least create/display GIF files), etc. It would be
great if there was a list like this one for Apple II issues....

If you have answers to any of these, feel free to CC me personally when
you post to the list....

Geoff Kaiser

Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 22:58:58 -0700
To: Classic Posts
From: William Colburn
Subject: MS Word Icon Change?

I own a IIci running 7.5.3 and MS Word 5.1a. After a recent system crash,
I noticed that ALL my Word document's icons had changed from the *new*
version 5 style to the *old* version 4 style. I've tried rebuilding
desktops, zapping the PRAM, using Norton's Utilities 3.2 to look for
incorrectly set bundle bits, discarding and rebuilding the MSW(5)
Preferences file, all to no avail.

Any suggestions what the matter is, and how I can get the other icon back
without doing major surgery?

Any help is appreciated.


Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 08:11:10 -0400 (EDT)
To: Classic Posts
Subject: Classic Mac Games?

I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but here goes anyway.
When I acquired my first Mac (an SE) almost 8 years ago, someone gave me a
game. It was called Radical Castle, as I recall. I wonder if anyone knows
whether it is still available, and whether there are any versions that would
run on my Performa 6400?


Brian Tracey

Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 09:23:10 -0700
To: Classic Posts
From: Clark Martin
Subject: Possible Frozen Mac Solution

To: Classic Posts
Subject: Classic Freezing in the Heat
From: Sascha Welter
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 12:37:48 +0200

I am a teacher at AUA Language center in Bangkok, Thailand. One of my jobs
is to maintain an old working Classic for one of the secretarys and the
core staff. We also have five other PCs running windows programs.This old
computer still out performs the other newer computers in the office for
ease of use. I am having a problem with it however. It works fine with the
exception that it freezes up after sitting idle for about thirty minutes to
an hour.

Try disabling any screen saver you have running. If that doesn't do it,
try disabling as many extensions as you can and see if that helps.

Clark Martin

Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 02:14:52 -0600
To: Classic Posts
From: "Ronald E. Caffey"
Subject: Free 10-12 Apple II, IIc, IIe Computers and Peripherals

The following was posted in Macway:

Date: Thu, 29 May 97 13:35:51 -0700
From: EvangeList
To: Classic Posts
Subject: $$ - Free 10-12 Apple II, IIc, IIe Computers and Peripherals

This special offer is from:

David M. Dantowitz,

If anyone wants a bunch of Apple II computers for Free (shipping from New
Jersey) let me know. There's a bunch of II, IIc, and IIe computers, mono
chrome and color monitors, extra drives, cables, printer boards, software
and other stuff.

They're about to be dumped into a dumpster, so if anyone has a desire for
the machines and grade school software, let me know.

Hope this helps someone. --Ron Caffey

Subject: Plus is Dark?
Date: Sat, 31 May 97 16:49:50 -0400
From: Harold Appel
To: Classic Posts

I just got a Plus for free and would love to get it going and upgraded.
When I turn it on I hear the Chimes but the screen stays dark. I put in a
new 4.5v battery in the back. No help. What do you think is wrong and how
can I fix it for not too much $? Thanks a lot!

Harold Appel

Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 00:46:38 +0200
To: Classic Posts
From: Melanie
Subject: Sound on an SE?

I have a Mac SE (not /30). I know nothing about sound applications, other
than that I'd like to "hear" the web, and enjoy such oldies as Talking
Moose. What system software, utilities, requirements etc. do I need, and
where can I find them? A nice icing on the cake would also be a program
that can speak the text in my WP documents.



Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 00:46:46 +0200
To: Classic Posts
From: Melanie
Subject: Mac SE's and 28.8 Sportster Modems

I had the exact same problem with getting my SE to run with a US Robotics
28.8 K Sportster modem. The tech people went nuts for about 14 hours of
trying to locate the mistake and gave up in the end. Just when I thought
the situation was hopeless, I opened the Sportster manual and found a very
strange instruction- "do not set communications software to 12 or 14.4 kps or your modem will
not function properly". I switched to as higher speed and voila!

Hope you have the same luck I did. (I also find that it helps to leave the
modem off until you've finished booting up.)


So here's the problem: not only is the "Open" connection button on my PPP
control panel ghosted and unavailable (the icon has frowning faces, and
reads "PPP Down"), but my modem light doesn't come on. I have a GV
Teleport/Bronze for Performa--please don't hate me, it was the cheapest
thing I could find at the time . . . I promise to never buy a GV modem
again, honest! :) I've read several places that any modem should work.

Can anyone help me?


From: douglas dennis
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 00:17:57 -0400
To: Classic Posts
Subject: PB-100 Clock Battery Problem!

Hi, I Bought a PB-100 a month ago for my wife, & We've been having a
problem with the Clock! It doesn't hold the time or date, & I've replaced
the 3 3 volt lithium batteries that are in the back of the Powerbook!
What else can be wrong? HELP!!!



Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 01:41:42 +0100
To: Classic Posts
From: Donna Hood Pointer
Subject: Lynx Screen Resolution for Macs

Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 01:37:43 +0100
To: Classic Posts
From: Donna Hood Pointer
Subject:lynx screen resolution for macs

In response to your query on Classic Posts (redirected by Matti HAveri on
25 May 97):

The compact macs (Plus, SE, SE-30) are 512x342 at 72dpi according to The
Mac Bible, 4th edition, page 150.
The Powerbook100 Getting Started with your Macintosh PowerBook 100 Manual
Technical Information page 14 states Video Display is 640x400 at 72dpi.

We need 512x342 for the smaller black and white screens on the older macs.
I think they are 80 colums, but I don't know how many lines. Lynx would be
VERY helpful on these machines.

Donna Pointer,
Washtenaw Community College

Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 21:58:39 -0500
From: Matt Mathias
To: Classic Posts
Subject: 7.5.5 and Souped-Up LC?

In reading messages in the archives, I think I may have an idea what's
causing my problems installing 7.5.5; however, I need some verification
and hopefully a recommendation of how to procede.

I've been trying to update from 7.0.1 on an LC that has a Daystar 030
accelerator installed. I have had problems every time, even with clean
installs, etc. I'm beginning to think that the installer may be confused
because it may think that it's a stock LC and not recognize the
accelerator card; or, it "sees" the card and thinks that it's an 030

Can anyone verify this kind of problem; and if so, then how would one go
about doing the upgrade?

The other obvious one is, will the Daystar (I think it was called Power
Central) work beyond 7.5?

Matt Mathias

Subject: New Pre-PPC Mac User Site
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 97 09:23:46 -0400
From: Daniel Knight
To: Classic Posts

Fellow users of classic Macs, I've set up a site dedicated to pre-PPC
Macs. This includes pages for pre-68040 desktops, pre-PPC PowerBooks, and
68040 desktops (the last two are still under construction). Stop by for a
visit and offer your suggestions.

The New Low End Mac User Site

Daniel Knight,

From: Stuart Bell
To: Classic Posts
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 97 14:28:42
Subject: Do-It-Yourself PB100 Batteries


A few days ago, Rebecca and Rowland wrote:

I've got a (alas defunct) Portable, and it had a lead-acid battery pack
too. While it was still working, the batteries died, so I cut open the
battery pack to see what I could see.

And what I saw was a row of (3?) standard 2V lead-acid cells, easily
purchased in the UK under the brand-name Cyclon from Maplin or RS at about
=A35 each - say about US$8.

If the PB100 has a lead-acid battery pack, I'd suspect it's put together
the same way. If you're up to slicing open the battery pack and wiring in
some new cells, you might want to consider this way of doing things.

Sadly, the PB100 battery is a different kettle of fish. I hacked one apart
last night -requiring a lot of brute force due to the effective sealing together
of the component parts. Even if you could re-build one, you'd need 3
cells each approx 9.5mm x 33mm x 130mm. Nothing Maplin do approximates.
Stacking their prismatic (ie rectangular) NiMh batteries inside would cost
almost as much as a new lead-acid from Apple. :-(


Stuart Bell
Running an Acorn Risc PC and an Apple PowerBook in a Wintel-free Zone
Acorn user? Visit

From: douglas dennis
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 23:09:47 -0400
To: Classic Posts
Subject: Problem with an SE/30 & PB-100!

Hi, I have an SE-30 with 5 1/2 megs of ram, an 80 meg HD, and a PB-100 with
4 megs of ram & a 40 meg HD.

I would like to get e-mail, and a text based browser with the ability to
open basic 8 bit B&W pic's & drawings! Can you help or recommend a set-up
for me?

Douglas Dennis

Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 23:03:29 -0700
To: Classic Posts
From: David G. Wood
Subject: Apple II Software?

Can anyone point me toward a source for some basic software for an Apple IIGS?

I've tried the Apple Support ftp site where there was a sub-directory named
"Apple", but was refused entry. A Yahoo search in "Software" using the key
word "Apple" also yielded no such source.

This will be for someone who is handicapped and wishes to use a II GS for
letter writing. She will probably need some sort of boot-up disk and a
basic text processor. I haven't seen the machine in question and I'm not
familiar with using Apples, but I'm told it has both the 3 1/2 and the 5
1/4 inch disk drives.

Thanks in advance.....David

Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 14:25:59 -0500
From: Frank Mushkin
To: Classic Posts
Subject: Re: Color Classic Resolution

I contacted Sam Goldwasser, author of the excellent "Troubleshooting
and Repair of Computer and Video Monitors" FAQ.

He took a look at the 640x480 resolution Color Classic alteration at:,

as referenced by Lito Lammatao on 5/25 on this list.

Mr. Goldwasser's quick take on this process is:


...It looks credible with the reservations expressed below:

It would appear that by changing a jumper or two, the Mac processor
is tricked into thinking a higher resolution display is attached.

By modifications to the analog board, the monitor is able to scan at
the higher resolution.

Having said that, I have no way of knowing what risks are involved in
terms of immediate or long term damage to the monitor, if any. Also,
since the aperture grill on the Trinitron CRD is the same, the full
benefits of this procedure may not be achieved but that is probably

Also, of course, the safety issues of opening up any monitor should not
be minimized for someone who is not familiar with proper procedures.

The Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ is at:

From: Alex Dumitru
To: Classic Posts
Subject: Highest Version of Mac OS on a IIcx?
Date: 03 Jun 1997 20:43:21 GMT


I was just wondering what the highest rev. of the OS people on this list
have been able to get running on a IIcx. Mine is running 7.5 right now, but
I've been trying to go the 7.5->7.5.3->7.5.5 route without much success...
Also when I went from 7.1 to 7.5 my Mode32 software started having problems
with virtual memory (ie. the machine refuses to boot under 7.5 with virtual
memory turned on.)

If it makes any difference, here's the specs on the system
IIcx, 8/1.2G (Segate 32000N)


Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:18:25 +0800
To: Classic Posts
From: Rodney A. Loh
Subject: AE+ 1.44 Drive Works on Macs with 800K Drives

Back in the old days (late 80s early 90s) Applied Engineering sold two 1.44
external floppy drives. A 1.44 for FDHD Macs, and the Plus drive for Macs
without the FDHD ROMs.

The AE+ external floppy drive for 800k Macs includes an 800k diskette with
a system extension that allows 800k floppy macs like the Plus, 800k SE,
800K Mac II to recognize, read, and write to 1.44 floppy disks using the
AE+ drive. The system extension allows Macs _without_ the FDHD ROMs to read
and write to the AE+ 1.44 external drive.

My old company bought one of these drives back in the early 90s to use with
a 800K Mac II. The drive worked great.

I hope this helps clear up some of the questions people have.

Rodney and Hui Ling

From: douglas dennis
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:24:13 -0400
To: Classic Posts
Subject: Setting up MacWeb on an SE/30?

What programs do I need for setting up MacWeb=(Which Version)? I have 5
megs of ram on my SE-30?

Douglas Dennis

Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 02:24:38 -0600
To: Classic Posts
From: Macintosh User
Subject: Java and Netscape 2.01 on a 68020?

I am using Netscape 2.01 on a 68020 Mac. Is there any sort of "plug-in"
available which will allow me to access web sites which were created with
or make use of Java?

David G. Wood

Subject: Apple Licensing Address....
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 97 13:56:42 -0800
From: B.J. Major
To: Classic Posts

I found this info recently in the Apple Tech Information Library:

"If you want information about copying discontinued software, or about the
copyright or licensing status of other Apple software, send your questions
or requests in writing to:

Software Licensing
Apple Computer Inc.
20525 Mariani Ave., MS 38-I
Cupertino, CA 95014

OR Phone:

(408) 974-4667"

Apple //--///--Macintosh user, supporter, and collector

Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 02:06:06 +0100
To: Classic Posts
From: Christopher Adams
Subject: Spanish-Speaking Expert Needed

I just got an email from someone having problems with a Mac SE. Trouble is,
his/her English isn't too great, and it would be safer if a Spanish speaker
could volunteer some assistance. I don't even have a name, but the email
address is:


Here's the text of the help plea:

When my SE is turn on
in loading when my desktop is restoring mu SE get OUT and need to be power off

Can i make a reset on SE

Any takers?

[MODERATOR'S NOTE: Chris, I'll help you if you cannot find anyone else
within a reasonable span of time. I would note, however, that my expertise
in Spanish terminology for computer components is extremely limited.]

Chris Adams, Birmingham, UK.
The Mac SE Support Pages

Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:29:38 -0500
To: Classic Posts
From: Fuzzy Gerdes
Subject: Looking for Kinetics EtherPORT SE Drivers

I have a Kinetics EtherPORT ethernet card that I salvaged out of an SE and
have installed in my happy little SE. But I can't seem to find the
neccessary drivers for it. I think I traced the EtherPORT line of products
from Kinetics --> Shiva --> Dayna, but DaynaPORT ethernet software doesn't
work with this card. Does anyone have an installer for this product?

Erik 'Fuzzy' Gerdes
professional -
personal -

Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:29:35 +0800
To: Classic Posts
From: JR Latimer
Subject: SE/30 and Sony 13" Monitor?

I have an SE/30, 17m RAM, 40m HD, and a Sony 13" multi-scan monitor that I
would like to get up and running and would appreciate any help I could get
to make it so.

Thanks in advance.
JR Latimer

Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:09:17 -0400
From: bremloe
To: Classic Posts
Subject: Mac Classic II Shrinking Screen?

I have a Mac Classic II that seems to have a shrinking screen. I tried
to open the case an adjust the screws but they only adjusted brightness
and resolution. Does anyone know if there are other ways to widen the
screen? Also, does anyone have any disks with black and white games or
a web browser that would work on a Classic II? I'm only on the net with
an IBM clone and have been unsuccessful downloading and converting Mac
files. thanks, JC

Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:27:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Patrick Gardella
To: Classic Posts
Subject: IIci and "New" Ethernet Card?

I know we're on hold until July, but...

I have a Mac IIci and have been trying to install a NuBus ethernet card.

I don't know if it is an Apple Ethernet Card, but...
Information I can gather from it is:

Ethernet A-series
Board ID: 8
Board Version 001

I have System 7.5.5 on it, and am running classic networking (have tried OT, as
well). I have tried Network Software Installer 1.5.1.

My AppleTalk version is: 58.1.6
My EtherTalk version is: 2.5.7

Are there any test/diagnostic programs for Mac Ethernet cards?

How can I get this to show up to the rest of the network, and see the
rest of the network? (Only one other computer on the network, and thats
a Unix system.)

Thanks again for the help.
Patrick Gardella

From: LPotr4
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 04:32:53 -0400 (EDT)
To: Classic Posts
Subject: SE/30 and 7.5 SCSI Driver Conflict?

Greetings to everyone,

I recently updated my SE/30's OS from 7.0 to 7.5.3. What I intended
was to initialize the Hard Drive and reinstall 7.5 instead of updating 7.0
to 7.5.

My problem is that the Apple HD Setup that came with 7.5 says that it cannot
find an appropriate SCSI drive connected to this Mac...HUH?!?!?. So I tried
updating the driver instead by clicking on Apple HD setup...same message and
with all the buttons including the update button grayed out. What gives? Is
my Hard Drive too old or do I need an older version of the utility? My SE/30
still has its original 80mb HD and has 8mb of RAM installed. I gave up on the
update notion for a while and went ahead and updated 7.0 to 7.5 (to 7.5.3) by
overwriting or updating the old System instead of initializing the HD. Please
help...I am really puzzled by this.


From: "Jeremy John Winter"
To: Classic Posts
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:14:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Screen Saver, Fan, and Extra Hard Drives?

Hey People,

I've got a MacPlus w/ 4MB of Ram.


1) Anybody know of any screensavers for it? Preferably fun ones?

2) How do I go about putting a fan in it? It's heating up something

3) I'm currently trying to hook up a 40MB hard drive to it, and
wondering if I could add more hard drives in the future, should the
need arise.


Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 22:06:40 -0500
To: Classic Posts
From: "John R. Keys Jr."
Subject: Mac II and 21" Monitor Problems?

Problem #1 is with my MAC II it stopped working after I turned it off a week
or two ago. Now nothing happens when I tried to turn it on, I found 2
batteries on the MB and one is only putting out half of what it should and
the other is ok. Any help on why the sudden dead machine???

Problem # 2 Got a 21" Apple color monitor over at the school the other and
got it home only to find out when I plugged it in that it smokes pretty bad
on the right side as you look at it from the front. I opened it up and
found what looks like orange goo melted on the board. Does anyone know were
I can get spec and parts to fix this monitor it is PN# M3502.

Thanks in advance for any help.
John R. Keys Jr.

Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 08:20:26 +0000
From: newhouse
To: Classic Posts
Subject: Ethernet and Accelerated IIsi?

My daughter has a IIsi with a Presto 80/40 accellerator installed. She
will be attending a college that offers free internet with ethernet
capability. Any way of using both the accelerator and ethernet on a
IIsi? any help appreciated....


Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 21:47:11 -0700
From: Jason Rothwell
To: Classic Posts
Subject: SE Monitor Switch?

I was wondering if you have heard of anyone who has hooked up a separate
power switch for the built in monitor on an SE/30. I need my SE/30 to
run continuously but do not want to waste power nor the life of the tube
for no reason.

Thanks in advance
Jason Rothwell

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