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Table of Contents for this issue:
Screen Saver for 128K and 512K?
10baseT in a Daystar IIsi, lots more?
Re: Ethernet and Accelerated IIsi
Get Your Compact Mac on the Web!
Mac SE Screen Lines?
Web Browser that would work on a Classic II
SE/30 SuperDrive Problems
Re: Data Forks and Whatnot
MicroMac and Sonnet Accelerators
SE Running with System 0.1
Re: Apple IIgs and Macs - Network
No ADB Plus, Ethernet on LCII, and LocalTalk
CD-ROM Access
Mac Plus Programming...Through HyperCard!
Re: Programming on a Mac Plus
Classic II Screen Controls
Performa 575 Resolution Upgrade/Cheat?
PB100 B/U Batteries
Eudora on the PB100
Ayuda una vez mas
Setting Up the 'Net on an SE/30
IIfx SCSI Dead..How to Fix It?
RollerMouse and Classic II
Re: SE/30 &7.5 SCSI Driver Conflict
Classic without Hard Disk?
From LaserWriter to ImageWriter II?

From: mulholla
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 12:57:00 -0700
Subject: Screen Saver for 128K and 512K?
To: Classic Posts

I have one each of the 128k and 512k that I occasionally use for word process-
ing. I hate to turn them off all the time when not in use, so does anyone
know of a screen saver, maybe even a DA that would blank the screen?


Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 00:42:26 -0700
To: Classic Posts
From: Mike Ford
Subject: 10baseT in a Daystar IIsi, lots more?

I have a few questions for the list. I have a bunch of older macs around
the house starting with a 7200/90, 3 IIsi, a IIx, a SE, Plus, and my first
a Apple II. My wife uses a ThinkPad, so my 6 year old son and I are the
only mac users, which means we have a few too many systems. I have vague
plans and a sentimental attachment to the old Apple II, and the 7200/90 is
my main system, but the rest I would like some suggestions on.

SE & Mac+
I think I have enough 1 MB simms to fill these two up, but then which
version of system software and more to the point what should I do with
them? I was thinking about sending the SE off to a relative as a
study/family system, but lack of color for a 4 and 5 year old doesn't sound
like fun.

One has a bad motherboard (no chimes), a 800k drive, and a 12" RGB with a
blown flyback (a lesson to swap meet purchasers), One is a standard Apple
setup with a fpu extender card and 13" RGB, and the last has a Daystar 50
mhz 030 & FPU, 17 MB ram and shares a 13" Panasync with a IIx depending on
which is being used. I want to put a 10baseT card in this IIsi, but haven't
found a card yet that will work with the Daystar and its adapter card (just
like an extender card the PDS slot ends up raised a couple inches and
sideways). What is the recommended system software, and should I really be
sending one of these to my relative instead of the SE?

I just bought 16 Mb of new Ram, but haven't installed it until I decide
what I should do with the IIx. Currently it has a 364 video I/O card and a
Asante 10baseT card and is running System 7.1. WOW does it feel slow, also
I have yet to get the 10baseT working with my 7200/90 although it passes
the Asante diagnostics fine (just doesn't seem to see the other computer,
which suggests I have some control panel filled in wrong).

It is terrible the prices these machines are selling for, but I have found
a IIfx with 16 MB ram, no hard disc for $150, and it is tempting me real
bad. What I would do is tranfer all the good stuff out of my IIx into the
bare IIfx, and it would become the "workhorse" nubus system. Just a 40 Mhz
030, the IIfx is still a darn fast system compared to a lot of other Macs
beyond my budget (ie it is close to a Quadra 700 at 1/4 the price used).

Anybody know of a source for 300 to 500 MB drives that is reasonable? (ie I
paid La Cie $349 for a 2.1 GB drive with a 5 year warranty, so $35 for a
210 Mb 30 day warranty drive sounds reasonable to me.)

Mike Ford

Subject: Re: Ethernet and Accelerated IIsi
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 97 08:42:40 -0400
From: Daniel Knight
To: Classic Posts

From: newhouse

My daughter has a IIsi with a Presto 80/40 accellerator installed. She
will be attending a college that offers free internet with ethernet
capability. Any way of using both the accelerator and ethernet on a

Another option: Farallon Ethernet or Etherwave ADB. This lets you run
ethernet on the LocalTalk port. Speed is about 1/2 of regular ethernet,
about 3 times faster than LocalTalk. Cost is in $200-300 range.

Daniel Knight,
webmeister, The New Low End Mac User

Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 22:32:04 -0500
To: Classic Posts
From: Jag
Subject: Get Your Compact Mac on the Web!

I've updated it to version 2! TONS more info and screen shots including
details on how to get on the web with no drive and 1 meg!

Hello All

For those of you who want to get on the web with a browser on a Plus, SE
or SE/30, Portable or other 68000 series Mac, here's the URL for the
MacWeb browser and all the extensions and control panels you'll need:


It will work with Macs with 2 megs minimum.

Here's the URL for an instruction manual on how to do it:
(Mentioned in the July MacUser magazine).


For TONS of shareware for older Macs, go to:

and for my shareware page, go to:


A weird little oasis on the web. Download my Subgenius music, Mac
shareware, other assorted waste of bandwidth.

Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 23:36:56 -0400 (EDT)
To: Classic Posts
From: Bret Alan Fessenden
Subject: Mac SE Screen Lines?

Hi all,

I just got a Mac SE superdrive that works fine, with the exception of the
screen, which, occasionally developes white horizontal lines running
through it, and flickering off and on.

Playing with the power cord to the computer sometimes seems to make them go
away for a brief moment, but not for long.

Is the screen going, or could it be the power supply or a connection to the

I have another Mac SE (NON-superdrive) that I can salvage for parts. Can I
replace the montior or power supply in the SE super with the parts from the
NON-super? Is this very hard to do?

Any help would be appreciated.

-- Bret

Bret Alan Fessenden
Cynthia Benner

From: "J. Reinschmidt"
To: Classic Posts
Subject: Web Browser that would work on a Classic II
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 97 02:00:03 -0500

bremloe wrote:

I have a Mac Classic II...does anyone have any disks with black and white games
or a web browser that would work on a Classic II? I'm only on the net with
an IBM clone and have been unsuccessful downloading and converting Mac
files. thanks, JC

MacWeb1.00A32 works for me on my SE w/4 M RAM.

J. Reinschmidt

Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 02:18:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: Andy Berkvam
To: Classic Posts
Subject: SE/30 SuperDrive Problems

'lo all,

I have an SE/30. It's pretty much a stock SE/30. Internal 120MB
Quantum HD and 8 1MB SIMMs. Nothing on the SCSI bus, no periphs, etc.

It started having trouble ejecting floppy disks. It would lift the
floppy up as if to eject it, but then it would get stuck just before it
started to move forward. Using the paper clip trick worked for a while.
Then it got harder and harder to push the floppy out. Sometimes the Mac
would restart while trying to eject the floppy. Eventually, it pretty
much stopped trying to eject the floppy.

I figured that it was a problem with the SuperDrive and I got a new one.
I replaced it and started using the new floppy. Worked just fine for a
while. Then it started doing the same things. The problems have gone
away for the moment but I'm pretty sure they'll be back.

It can't be the floppy drive since I have completely replaced it and
it's still doing the same thing. I thought that it might be the power
supply (especially because of the restarts), but that doesn't explain why
it's so hard to eject floppies with a paper clip. (I sometimes bend
paper clips instead of being able to push the drive mechanism.) When the
floppy is stuck there is no visible blockage around the edges (as there
would be if I didn't put the drive in right). The problem seems to come
and go in spurts.

Oh, I use this Mac for floppy duplicating. I often run batches of
50-100 at a sitting.

Any ideas? I'm fresh out of them myself.

WWW Pages:

Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:06:07 +0100
To: Classic Posts
From: Rebecca and Rowland
Subject: Re: Data Forks and Whatnot


2. Mac apps. have a data fork and a resource fork. IBM-clones read only
the data forks so when you write to files from your IBM to use in your Mac
there won't be a resource fork written. Consequently the Mac won't be able
to find the resource fork (as there isn't one) and so can't open any apps.
you may download.

But note that any Mac app that's been binhexed (.hqx), stuffed (.sit), or
converted to MacBinary (.bin) has all its data put into the data fork, so
you can download any of these on a PC, transfer them to your Mac, and
you'll have no trouble.

Also Mac files are mostly binhexed (.hqx) or in binary (.bin) and if you
can grab a copy of "StuffIt Expander" this will automatically convert
downloads for you (including files compressed in "StuffIt" (.sit) and
"CompactPro" (.cpt)). If you really want to be cool there is a shareware
app "Drop Stuff" which includes an engine to give "StuffIt Expander" the
ability to decompress/convert a lot of DOS and UNIX formats too (eg .tar,
.zip, .Z, etc).

DropStuff and StuffitExpander only work under System 7 or above. Stuffit
Lite works under System 6, and can do a couple of other useful things -
it's from the same people.

See if you can find a Mac magazine with a cover disc - this disc will
almost certainly have a copy of Stuffit Expander on it, which you'll need
to get started (not strictly true, but it's the easiest way these days).

Hope this helps

Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 21:55:27 +0000
From: newhouse
To: Classic Posts
Subject: MicroMac and Sonnet Accelerators

Glad I read your note on the MicroMac accellerators. I have (2)
Sonnet Presto's on my llci and a llsi. Except for slowing down the
reading of the floppy drive, the presto is worth the money. Both
computers blaze right along. Sonnet tech support called me on the
land line the day after the email I sent them concerning the floppy
problem I was having. An updated extension was downloaded from their
sight two days later. Haven't had any trouble since. I was going to
try a Micromac on another llsi I have, but why mess with success?


Subject: SE Running with System 0.1
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 97 10:26:56 +0200
From: Boris Groendahl
To: Classic Posts

When I got my hands on a copy of System 0.1 recently (the version which
was delivered with the original Mac128k), I tried to boot my Mac SE with
this disk. To my surprise, it worked. The Mac really came up.

That was pretty fascinating if you consider that this SE is usually
running under System 7.5.3. Over 12 years of OS history -- all running on
one and the same computer.

The problem, though, is that I can't do much more than this. The system
can't use the HD in the SE. It can see the disk, but if you open it, it
appears to be empty.

If, alternatively, I eject the system diskette, insert a diskette with
suitable software (such as MacWrite 1 and stuff) and try to launch it, it
asks me to change the diskettes several times and finally freezes up the

I guess the only way for it to work would be to get the software on the
system diskette. If I try to copy it there, my (other) Mac tells me it
couldn't write on a non-HFS diskette. (I put the stone-age system on that
diskette using DART.)

I'd really like to be able to use this System, if only to write a review
about it. Can anyone think how I might do it?

All the best,

Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 07:10:13 -0500
To: Classic Posts
From: Jim Bauer
Subject: Re: Apple IIgs and Macs - Network

3) This is not completely related, but does anyone out there know of a
mailing list like this one, but for the Apple II? I have all kinds of
questions about whether the IIgs can do things like send/recieve e-mail,
get on the web (or at least create/display GIF files), etc. It would be
great if there was a list like this one for Apple II issues....

There is still a lot of traffic in comp.sys.apple2.* (but it is dwindling),
you try asking there. The mailing lists are dead. There are answers (mostly
yes!) to your questions, check the FAQs at Some things are still made for the
Apple II, but it is probably easier and cheaper to get an old Mac (or, dare I
say it, a PC) to do most things nowadays.

The real action for Apple II's and Apple IIGS's is in the A2 forum at or the A2 forum at Many of us GS'ers are surfing the
web, using off line readers, and message formaters, doing desktop
publishing etc. etc. There are thousands of files in the libraries. Some
of us use various types of Macs as periferals. If you still want/need help
try the above 2 places. The real experts can be found there.

Jim Bauer

Subject: No ADB Plus, Ethernet on LCII, and LocalTalk CD-ROM Access
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 97 08:01:47 -0400
From: Daniel Knight
To: Classic Posts

Responses to:
jari louhelainen
Eric Riedl
Kevin Jordan

From: jari louhelainen

Is it possible to connect a ADB-keyboard to Mac Plus?

Alas, no. Datadesk used to make an extended keyboard that worked on both
Plus and ADB. Don't know if it's still available.

From: Eric Riedl

Any way to install/attach an Ethernet card for network access with a LCII?

Yes, slips right in the PDS. We've used Dayna's at work and been very
happy. Best of all, they use the Apple driver, so no special software is

From: Kevin Jordan

I have a LC630 used solely for my work and a Classic 2 which I use for
Email and the net. Can I connect my Classic to the 630 to transfer data
from the CD-ROM? Will I be able to install from the CD to the Classic?

Yes, using LocalTalk. It will be very, very slow. Use file sharing to
give Classic II access to CD-ROM. Should be able to run installers or
programs over the network, but you will not be impressed with speed.

Daniel Knight,
webmeister, The New Low End Mac User

Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:14:27 -0500
To: Classic Posts
From: Michel Boissonneault
Subject: Mac Plus Programming...Through HyperCard!

Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:35:57 -0400
To: Classic Posts
From: Hens Breet
Subject: Programming on a Mac Plus?

Hi everyone.

I am looking for a programming environment for the Mac Plus, preferably one
that fits on floppies and will run with just 1M of memory. Some kind of
BASIC maybe?

Any help greatly appreciated.

Hens Breet


A few years ago, I made some "custom" applications for my Plus with
Hypercard 1.0. (read language Hypertalk).

This version can fit on a floppy with a startup system. (look for
"hypercard startup" disk)

Here, in Canada, Hypercard was included in every mac package with the
introduction of Plus.

The language is simple, (based on plain english), is based on Mac toolbox
routine (great compability, and good Mac interface looking) and you'll find
many books for them.

You know, next month, Hypercard it will be the 10th anniversary for
Hypercard! (look at the following adress for details:

'hope this may help you!


Michel Boissonneault.

From: PGardella
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:25:59 -0400 (EDT)
To: Classic Posts
Subject: Re: Programming on a Mac Plus

I am looking for a programming environment for the Mac Plus, preferably one
that fits on floppies and will run with just 1M of memory. Some kind of
BASIC maybe?


I used to do all my programming on a Mac Plus. There are several
environments out there, but I would recommend THINK's (now Symantec)
Lightspeed Pascal or C. Both work on a Mac Plus with 1 Meg and from

Also, Mac versions of LISP and Scheme exist that fit on one disk.

If anyone knows the legality of copying old programs such as these,
please let me know. I'd be happy to post them somewhere (if its legal,
that is).

Patrick Gardella
Web Developer

Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 09:48:15 -0400
From: Dan Halbert
To: Classic Posts
Subject: Classic II Screen Controls

RABDRH wrote:

bremloe wrote:

I have a Mac Classic II that seems to have a shrinking screen. I tried
to open the case an adjust the screws but they only adjusted brightness
and resolution. Does anyone know if there are other ways to widen the


1. If you look carefully on the side of the screen, once the cover is off,
you'll find the alignment pots (a TV alignment tool is handy). When
increasing RAM normally the screen is shrunk so the height and width need
adjusting back to standard 9".

On the Classic II (at least the one I've seen), you don't have to
crack the case to get at the monitor adjustments. Looking at the back
of the machine, on the upper right hand side, there is an access panel
you can snap off.

Dan Halbert

Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:20:17 -0400
To: Classic Posts
From: Pablo Roufogalis
Subject: Performa 575 Resolution Upgrade/Cheat?

He took a look at the 640x480 resolution Color Classic alteration at:,

Dear friends,

I am very excited about the possibility of upgrading my Performa 575 to

Is there a similar trick for my Mac?.

Pablo Roufogalis L.

Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 07:56:20 -0700
To: Classic Posts
From: IGHA/HorseAid Volunteer
Subject: PB100 B/U Batteries

From: "Charlie Sampson"
To: Classic Posts
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 13:32:50 PST
Subject: Misbehaving Backup Batteries on PowerBook 100

I have a PowerBook 100 that is showing pretty clear signs of a
dead battery. If I pull the plug I can watch the power in the battery
symbol drain away and the screen go blank within just a few seconds,
even with the disk not running. If this were the only problem, it's no
big deal. I've got a source for a replacement battery and I'd order one
right away.

The clinker is that after a few hours in this dead battery state,
the internal clock also fails. In other words, it's acting like the
backup batteries are dead too. They're not. I have just replaced them
and the three together register slightly over 9V.

I've described this problem to an Apple repair man and he says it
might be the logic board, which is a big bucks repair. Does anyone
agree with him? Can anyone think of any other reason why the backup
batteries would appear to fail when they're in good shape?


Every PB100 I have encountered does this, including the one that we
purchased new many years ago (after the big price drop). Sooner or later
the main battery will die (they all do, no matter how careful you are), and
then when you boot up, you will see the "Venetian blind" screen (a dead
give away that the PB100 now thinks it's Jan 1, 1904).

Replacing the logic board will not work, nor has Apple support (this
generation at least) even seen (much less worked with) a PB100. Worse,
TechTool doesn't seem to want to work on any PB100 (keeps saying that the
saved pram settings are corrupt and can't be restored - and I have tried
TechTool on four PB100s), so you just have to manually reset all the pram
settings :(

Remember this is a Sony design (and was manufactured by them), Apple just
put their name on it, maybe Sony is the one to call for a fix. They should
have called it a "Snapple".

Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:18:58 -0700
To: Classic Posts
From: IGHA/HorseAid Volunteer
Subject: Eudora on the PB100

Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 23:04:32 -0400
To: Classic Posts
From: Nick Canterucci
Subject: PB 100 on Net & Beyond

to get email on the PB needs to go to eudora site and
download 1.3.1 that will work on the 100...

We have Eudora Pro 2.5 working just fine on a PB100 with 8 megs (it
replaced Eudora "commercial" 2.0, which also worked fine). Even Pro 3.0
would work, but it was soooo slow as to make it worthless.

This combo also works very fast on an accelerated SE (with 4 megs real and
8 megs "virtual" RAM), even Pro 3.0 is much faster, but take FOREVER to do
a spell check.


Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 14:03:07 -0700
From: Kenneth Browne
Subject: Ayuda una vez mas
To: Classic Posts

Aun cuando la cuestion es vieja yo quiero ofrezcar mi ayuda a
quienquiera la propositaba. Favor de escribirme en este direccion.

Kenneth Browne

Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 14:28:22 -0700
From: Kenneth Browne
Subject: Setting Up the 'Net on an SE/30
To: Classic Posts

Subject: Setting Up the 'Net on an SE/30

What programs do I need for setting up MacWeb=(Which Version)? I have 5
megs of ram on my SE-30?

On my SE/30 8/80 Sys 7.1

I'm running Netscape 2.01, Eudora Lite, Fetch, and NCSA Telnet with
FreePPP as my dialup to my PPP account. I had lots of trouble getting it to
work, and even now I have to "kludge" FreePPP every time I connect by
opening MAC TCP and switching from FreePPP to AppleTalk, backing out, going
back in, and
switching back to FreePPP. I have no idea how or why, but this makes the system
work just fine. I guess that's why I still use my PC for most of my online

If you have system 7.5 or higher you have everything you need already.

I wish I had known this when I got my SE/30, as I had a choice of system
7.1 or 7.5. Said I didn't care. I guess I should have known there would be some
advantage to having the later OS, but I knew 7.1 was adequate for what I was
planning to use the computer for.


Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 23:40:48 +0200
To: Classic Posts
From: Laurent Vitou
Subject: IIfx SCSI Dead..How to Fix It?

My IIfx's boot capacity degraded over the months until it refused
to start off any SCSI drive altogether. I then realized that the SCSI chain
was over-terminated: the external drive had the black fx terminator, and it
was "internally" terminated, too.

I have been told that, "Most of the II series computers have a 1
amp SCSI term power fuse on the motherboard - too many terminators could
cause this fuse to blow, causing the terminators to no longer work (as they
are lacking power). The fuse is right near the rear SCSI connector."

I think I _may_ have located this fuse. Now, how do I check if it's
bad? And if it is, what can I do?


From: gsblan
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 18:56:55 -0500
To: Classic Posts
Subject: RollerMouse and Classic II

Hello Mac Friends,

I have just acquired a used four button CH Products
RollerMouse and it works great with my Classic II. The only problem I have
is that I have no control panel to configure it with. Can anyone help? On
another note I have also just purchased a Color Classic and ,as part of an
agreement with the wife, the Classic II must go to live with someone else.
It is a 4/40,Apple Keyboard II, ADB Mouse II, Apple Microphone. System
7.1, RamDoubler, Now Utilities, MacWeb 2.0, PPP 2.5, Mac TCP, ClarisWorks
3.0, StuffIt Deluxe 3.5, Mavis Beacon 2.0, Eudora Light, and a game or two
all live with it. It's baby brother is a brand new HP DeskWriter 520 ink
jet printer with all accessories as when purchased. Adoption fee for the
pair is set at $200 U.S. plus shipping. E-mail for approval to
gsblan. St. Louis area.

Glenn B

Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 08:23:03 -0800
From: Waller_Mark
Subject: Re: SE/30 &7.5 SCSI Driver Conflict
To: Classic Posts

The problem of Apple's hard drive formatting software not recognizing a
your drive indicates your drive is not an 'Apple ROM' drive and/or was
originaly formatted by third party formatting software like FWB, or La

Mark Waller

Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 23:41:00 +0100
To: Classic Posts
From: Adrian Strack
Subject: Classic without Hard Disk?


A very short period, one could buy a Classic without harddisk.

Somebody told me:

You might want to try booting from the Classic's ROM disk (hold down
command-option-X-O with no diskette inserted at boot time) and see if it
has file sharing in it.

That worked. But I want to boot the Classic (4MB) also independently. I
have made a minimal System 6.07 and RamDisk and I can boot all right,
putting the system in the ramdisk. But working with for instance HyperCard,
I get too many bombs, mainly when in the finder.

Is there a "standard" way to do it?


From: GBerman
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 21:45:11 -0400 (EDT)
To: Classic Posts
Subject: From LaserWriter to ImageWriter II?

I just bought a used ImageWriter II. What software do I need to make it work?
The person who owned my Mac IIci before me has it set up for a LaserWriter.
How do I change this? Thanks in advance for the help.


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