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Table of Contents for this issue:
System 7.1.x???
Monitor Ghosting
13 inch RGB problems
Equivalent '040/PPC list?
Compact Mac Cases
My floppydrive is eating floppys
Micromac Diimo 030 in Mac II/IIx?
Re: Mac Portable Power Brick
used RAM module for sale, NYC area
Re: Torx Screwdrivers
Problem with Mac IIcx....
Display card +drives for IIfx
Re: Classic Macs Digest 971006
MacLynx usage.....
upgrading an LCII
Booting From A Syquest EZFlyer SCSI Drive?
OFF : Any use for an old Apple IIe?
Motherboards and chips.
Torx Screwdriver
IIcx power supply replacement
Making 400k disks on Power Macs

From: urchin
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:31:54 -0400
Subject: book
To: Classic Posts

I just bought Larry Pina's book:
Mac Classic & SE Repair and Upgrade Secrets
What I really wanted was his older book:
Macintosh Repair and Upgrade Secrets
Anybody got it and want to sell it?

- daniel ray norris

From: MrkiteNY
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:45:51 -0400 (EDT)
To: Classic Posts
Subject: System 7.1.x???

I recently upgraded my SE from System 6.0.3 to System 7.1. But I was
wondering, now that I'm on 7.1, how can I upgrade to 7.1.2 or 7.1.3, etc?
Some of the software I'm trying to use says I need System Software 7.1.2 or
greater. Is there an archive where I can download this?

Nicholas Young

To: Classic Posts
Subject: Monitor Ghosting
From: Arye
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:09:41 -0500

Shortly after start-up, my monitor, a Macintosh 12" RGB Display that
came bundled with my LC, has recently begun to add a ghostly blur
aligned slightly to the left of the correct image. After a time, this
behavior ceases. I don't believe RF interference from without is a
factor. This monitor only has brightness and contrast controls
externally. Is there anything I can do to fix it?


To: Classic Posts
From: David Emmons
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 01:48:03 +0400
Subject: 13 inch RGB problems

Greetings all!

I purchased a IIcx with a 33 Rocket, 32Megs of Ram, I gig HD, and a 13" RGB for
25 bucks! Yes you read that right!

One problem though. The Monitor periodically will suddenly flash and turn
itself off, not comming on again unless you switch it off and turn it back on
a few minutes later. But then it does it again. And it's been getting WORSE!!!

This normally occurs about 15 minutes after startup, and then it can go for
several minutes or it could shutdown immediately after you turn it on. I should
say again that the monitor's Power light goes out as well. I almost suspect
that the power supply is overheating.....

Any Ideas on what is happening and a rough guess at what it would cost to fix?
Please help as I'm now stuck using my Mac II's 12in Grayscale (yuck)!!!


Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 02:21:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: James Lewis Dering
To: Classic Posts
Subject: Equivalent '040/PPC list?

Hi everyone. Could anyone tell me if there's a list like this one for
discussing higher-end Macs? Just got a Quadra.


Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:11:49 +0000
To: Classic Posts
From: Simon Storey
Subject: Compact Mac Cases

I bought a great item from Sun Remarketing a few days ago. It's a
carrying case for Compact Macs (I'm not sure if a Color Classic will fit).
It appears to be very high-quality, well padded, and NOT used. The brand
is "Targus."

Ken - that reminds me... UK users may be interested to note that Computer
Warehouse still seem to have stocks of these, at least the brightly
coloured variety. I was there a few months ago, their database price was
something like 16.95 but they were quite happy to sell one for a fiver.
Obviously they haven't advertised them for years. I've been meaning to go
up again and get a few...

400k disks...

I ran a 512k Mac for quite a few years - until about 94, in fact. Whenever
getting stuff from friends, I'd supply & format the disks. It's easier that
way. Now, I've a couple more Macs than I had then - I keep a Mac Plus
running System 6 for transferring progs to to the 512k. The 'This disk
needs minor repairs' message is the the sys 6/7 desktop database

Did I read somewhere that OS8 stops supporting 800k disks?

Simon Storey, Brentford, England

Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:21:51 +0200 (MDT)
To: Classic Posts
From: Patrik Norberg
Subject: My floppydrive is eating floppys

My beloved Powerbook100 is out of order.

It's impossible to format or even write the disk. It can read disks but
sometimes it trashes the disk though the disk is write protected.
There's nothing wrong with the floppy drive itself. I've tried it on
other machines, and I've tried other drives on mine

So my question is, does anybody know how to fix this problem?

I hope that I won't need to replace the motherboard(expensive), just
maybe replace some little gadget attached to it.

Otherwise the powerbook is running great...


Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:55:37 +1100
To: Classic Posts
From: Bill Donald
Subject: Micromac Diimo 030 in Mac II/IIx?

Has anyone ever got a Micromac Diimo 030 accellerator to run reliably in a
Mac II?

I'm just about to return mine, but thought I'd ask here first.

What about in a Mac IIx? I could change the logicboard.


Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:55:08 -0400
To: Classic Posts
From: Mark Pearrow
Subject: Mac Portable Power Brick


I have had a Mac Portable for some time. I have an original power supply
for it, but it went south some time ago. The power supply I use now is the
same one I use for my PowerBook 170: Output 2.0A, DC 7.5V, center positive.
The Apple model number for the part is M5140.

I have had no luck at all in recharging either of the batteries I have for
the Portable, and as far as I know there was no external recharger for
these batteries.

I bought an old Macintosh Portable. It looks to be a pretty nice setup, but
doesn't have a powerbrick. Can someone tell me what the voltage should be
going into the little power connector? Will this recharge the battery, or
is an external charger required?

Bryan Walls

Mark Pearrow
MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
545 Technology Square (NE43-018a)
Cambridge, MA 02139
(617) 258-7981

Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:06:10 -0400
To: Classic Posts
From: Hens Breet
Subject: used RAM module for sale, NYC area

Please respond to me privately, not to the list.

I upgraded my old Quadra 630 to the max of a whopping 36MB of RAM. Wow! Now
I'm left with that old 16MB module. If you're interested, I'm asking 50
bucks for it. (16MB SIMMS, 72 pins).

hens breet

Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:56:15 +0100
To: Classic Posts
From: Rebecca and Rowland
Subject: Re: Torx Screwdrivers

Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 22:41:39 -0400
From: George
To: Classic Posts
Subject: Torx Screwdrivers

emmak wrote,

Do any UK users know where I might get a torx screwdriver that will
get the case off if need be?

The best place to get torx screwdrivers, US, UK, wherever, is at your
local automotive tool store.


<sounds of muffled laughter>

I've tried this game in Britain, and I'm usually met with `What sort of
screwdriver? Do you want straight or Philips?'

Maybe someone else has had more luck than me - I've actually found a few
car parts shops that have heard of Torx fasteners, but I've not found one
that's had any Torx drivers in stock.

If you can find a decent industrial tool shop, they're likely to have some
Torx drivers in stock, but my favourite place like that didn't have a T-15
driver at all, let alone one with a long handle.


Subject: Problem with Mac IIcx....
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 97 07:27:04 -0800
From: "B.J. Major"
To: Classic Posts

My Mac IIcx has developed a "fatal" problem; it will not boot up from
anything but a floppy disk. No SCSI recognition, no hard drive
recognition. Anyone care to guess what's the problem--a dead hard drive
or something else, since it also will not mount a good System Folder
that's on a removeable cartridge???

Proud user/owner of Apple Computers since 1984
Barbie and Ken doll fan since 1961

Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:33:16 -0500
To: Classic Posts
From: Bryan Walls
Subject: Display card +drives for IIfx

From: Jim Ratchford
To: Classic Posts
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:59:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Display card +drives for IIfx

I recently aquired (entirely be luck) a IIfx without drives or cards, and
separately, a "Two-Page Monochrome" monitor- a lovely 20" beast.

With some memory, I hope! For anything bigger than 1MB SIMMs, the FX uses
some wierd memory...

I need a video card to use the two, at the very least. It has I think 6
Nubus, and the monitor has a strange looking connector about the size and
shape of a DB25 except for the pins are not standard looking at all, in my
PC experience. I would also need a cable for the card+monitor.

What brand is the monitor?

Also, I will need a boot device for it, but, assuming I can get software
on disk, I can rip an 800K out of my SE. I have available to me an IBM
40mb SCSI, but I'm clueless as to how to connect it to power, and I'm also
wondering how I'll ever format it and get software for it, considering the
only thing available to me there is the aforementioned flopppy drives. MY
primary concern though is getting the video card, and my budget is very
very limited.

You're correct about the floppy from the SE working fine. Download system
software from Apple, either 6.0.8 or 7.0 -- both are available as 800k
images. This means that when you download the file, use Stuffit Expander to
change the .hqx transfer format into an actual image, you can use the
program called Disk Copy to make 800k floppies which are bit-for-bit
identical with the original system disks. The software is free (or
actually, in the case of the system software, you have license for these
software versions if you own a legal ROM, like is in the FX).

You may already know all this, if your SE works -- and you can likely boot
off the same disks as the SE unless you bit a reduced system for the SE.

The IBM 40MB SCSI drive should work fine in the FX. The power for the drive
comes from the motherboard, and probably uses the same kind of attachment
as in the IBM. Was it stripped so that even the drive power lines are
missing? You need a standard SCSI ribbon cable, too.

If you have or know where I could get a dirt cheap or free (or trade..for
PC stuff [386+486 boards]) video card for the mono monitor, or a different
one with a monitor or to use an RGB or my VGA, I would be greatly

Lastly, any advice on using the PC modem (external 9600) with the IIfx is
good. Thanks.

All you need is a mac modem cable. I'd suggest dropping by a nearby
computer city or mac dealer, or check out

Get a high-speed cable, if they have two kinds.

Bryan Walls

My words are not NASA policy.

Subject: MacLynx usage.....
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 97 08:27:57 -0800
From: "B.J. Major"
To: Classic Posts

I have a question about the MacLynx textual web browser that is available
for download on the web: I'm desperately trying to use this browser on
my Classic II. It works and runs fine, but the window it opens goes down
past the actual screeen size, and because of this, I cannot resize the
window. I've tried everything I've thought of, but I cannot read the
commands at the bottom of the screen because they are down past where the
monitor ends. I've emailed the person mentioned in the "ReadMe" in
France, but they have not responded. Can anyone advise me on this?

Proud user/owner of Apple Computers since 1984
Barbie and Ken doll fan since 1961

Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 00:13:42 -0500
To: Classic Posts
From: Jag

No problem. The Plus (and probably its external drive) takes 800k
floppies. That's why it spits out your Disk Tools disk (not that it
would have enough memory to boot anyway.) You can get disk images
for old system software (aim for 6.0.8) at You can
put these images on 800K disks using the PowerMac, I suppose.

In the absence of real 800K disks, cover the left hole of a high-density
disk with Scotch tape.


We went through this a few months back on this list. Trying to trick a 1.4
meg disc into thinking it's an 800k disc IS NOT, I REPEAT *N*O*T* A GOOD

Why? The data may be lost. It may NOT be lost, but I wouldn't trust it. I
tried it and it worked sometimes, but not always. Aside from that, the tape
can seriously damage your floppy drive if it should ever come lose while
inside the floppy drive.

There is a reason there are 800k discs and 1400k discs and never the twain
shall meet.

Just run over to the nearest WalMart and buy a slew of IBM 720's and
reformat them in the Mac.


A weird little oasis on the web. Download my Subgenius music, Mac
shareware, other assorted waste of bandwidth.

Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:15:05 -0800
To: Classic Posts
From: mark harvis
Subject: upgrading an LCII

Hello. When I purchased a PowerMac last year the workhorse LCII was moved
into my son's room. Of course, that computer is only 16 mhz and has only a
68030 chip so my son complains it's slow and won't run all the current
software. He's right so I'm now ready to upgrade that computer but I'd
like some input from anybody who has gone the upgrade path for an LCII.

My choices are this: 1) upgrade to a faster 030 processor with an fpu by
buying a Sonnet Allegro card (which is a 33 mhz chip with 16k level 2 cache
and an fpu) for $99 bucks or a similar card for a similar price from


2) upgrade to a 68040 card with an fpu (the whole thing ram doubler
compatible) from Sonnet for $250 or from MicroMac (not ram doubler
compatible) for the same price


3) upgrade to a 68lc040 card without an fpu from micromac or sonnet for
about $200.

My questions are really four:

1) which upgrade path is better...upgrade speed only with the 030 upgrade
with fpu (my son mostly does schoolwork-7th grade, and plays games) or
upgrade to an 040 chip

2) if i decide to upgrade to an 040, should it be a "real" 040 with the fpu
or the "faux" lc040 without fpu

3) which company makes a better product: sonnet (i like the idea it's ram
doubler compatible) or micromat (don't like the idea it's not ram doubler
savvy and it uses emulation for 040 software)

4) how well do these upgrades really work, anyway?

As always, I thank everybody on this list for your attention and help.
Mark Harvis


IMHO, accelerator cards are not really a good idea. While they do
sometimes work, it's just not like a new computer. First of all, the
video and SCSI speed will be the same as usual - slow. And accelerators
face a range of compatibility problems (look what the people on this list are

If you look in the back of MacWorld, you'll find many vendors selling
'040 machines for $200-300, and I assure you that you'll get a much more
stable, solid, and genuinely faster machine this way.

One of those places actually has a PowerMac 6100/60 for around $500,
if that interests you (and if the kid likes games, it should.)


Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:27:27 -0500
To: Classic Posts
From: Janet Seiz
Subject: Web+LC+Imagewriter?

Okay--what am I going wrong:

Recently I connected an LC with 10 meg to dial in with a 28.8 modem to a
local internet service provider to check e-mail. Now I want to be able to
use an Imagewriter II to print out e-mail received.

Problem--modem is using the modem port--appletalk must be ON? in order for
the TCP connection to work? Or can I simply place the Imagewriter II cord
in the printer port, turn Appletalk Off and all is fine?

Do I need a switch box?

Thanks for advice
Janet Seiz


Are you sure appletalk must be on to use your TCP setup? I know
that MacTCP, at least, does not require this. But with appletalk on,
you won't be able to connect the imagewriter to the printer port (as
you must already know.)

My guess is that appletalk is not required for the TCP and you
can turn it off and attatch the printer. Or look into MacTCP, which
ships with system 7.5.


Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:08:44 -0400
From: "Sean J. Brown"
To: Classic Posts
Subject: Booting From A Syquest EZFlyer SCSI Drive On A Mac Plus ??

I recently resurrected an ol' Mac Plus (my first Mac) for my daughter to
pound on (her first Mac) with a 68030 accelerator and a Syquest EZFlyer
SCSI Drive. With the proper extension installed, the EZFlyer works fine
if I boot off of a floppy or the ancient Apple Crate Hard Drive, but I
can't boot from the Syquest unit.

Is this even possible?


Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:51:40 -0500
From: dstubb
Subject: OFF : Any use for an old Apple IIe?
To: Classic Posts

Hi folks - forgive the off post, but I was wondering -

My grandparents are interested in getting a computer, but all they really
want it for is email capabilities. We have an old Apple IIe Enhanced
with a color monitor in the attic. To my knowledge it works fine. Can
it be used to retrieve email, if so how, and where do I go to find parts
(like a modem), software, etc.?

Thanks for any advice.


David W. Stubblebine


The Apple IIe is a very sturdy and stable machine perfectly suited for
text-based modeming. Unfortunately, this is not as easy to master
as the newer stuff. No PPP connections are possible, so you have
to have a shell account with your ISP.

A Super Serial Card, which quite possibly is already in the
machine, will give you a serial port with up to 19.2Kbps connections
to which you can connect a standard external modem. This is probably
the way to go as you can then attatch your old 2400 or something instead
of killing yourself trying to find an internal.

There are several freeware terminals available.

Sun Remarketing stocks Apple //es, and perhaps
a few accessories.


Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:41:51
To: Classic Posts
From: Stephe Blake
Subject: Motherboards and chips.

Hi - I'm new to the list, and haven't really had a lot of time to look
around, but here's a dillemma I have: I teach in a Catholic School, and
have really old equipment to deal with. I like the classic Macs, but I
don't have much of a budget to maintain them. So here's my request:

Can any of you tell me where I might be able to find:

2 Classic II Motherboards (that work)
2 Chip sets for Mac SEs to upgrade them to Superdrive Machines:
(I already have the drives).

Any help would be appreciated - and I'm able to pay a limited amount for
these items.


Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:06:29
To: Classic Posts
From: Stephe Blake
Subject: Re: Torx Screwdriver

At 09:04 PM 10/8/97 -0600, you wrote:

Do any UK users know where I might get a torx screwdriver that will get the
case off if need be?

I'm not a UK user, but I recently bought a "Macintosh Took Kit" from the
Mac Zone (and I know there's a UK version) that included the Torx
screwdriver, with about an 11 inch shank. I use it to open my classic macs.

Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:11:28
To: Classic Posts
From: Stephe Blake
Subject: Re: IIcx power supply replacement

At 09:04 PM 10/8/97 -0600, you wrote:

Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 20:59:05 -0700
From: Fred Mindlin
To: Classic Posts
Subject: IIcx power supply replacement

I have a IIcx with Daystar 040 card and Radius full page display card,
with a bad power supply. I have another IIcx with a good power supply
and without the cards. Am I better off moving the cards to the one with
the good power supply, or trying to replace the power supply on the
machine with the cards? Either way, what are the cautions or special
procedures I need to follow?

I don't know where you are, but I have a spare Mac II Power Supply I can
let you have for shipping.

Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:09:25 -0800
To: Classic Posts
From: Ackerman
Subject: Making 400k disks on Power Macs

Ignore the naysayers... it IS possible to create old-fashioned 400k disks
with the latest Power Mac.

For example, go to the page:

and pick up, say, a system 0.3 disk.

Unstuff the image and double-click to launch "Disk Copy" (which comes with
your fancy-shmancy System 7.x software).

Copy this image onto any Double-Density disk (the kind with a hole in only
one corner).


Enjoy the pleasures of MFS. Bask in your inability to create new folders.

Mike Ackerman

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